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Gods Will and Free Will
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Well, if God is supposed to be the embodiment of perfection, then surely he is not bound by what humans are. For us, there are constraints of place and time, but for God, he trascends that. Therefore for us there is neccessarily such a thing as a 'future' but this is not so for God. Therefore I don't think that the word 'predestination' applies to God. Its quite a paradox, because its hard to understand perfection, yet if we infuse God with human-like qualities to make him more understandable, then, God wouldn't be so perfect after all.

I think God made us with intellect and free will. If he wanted entities without free will He already had created the angels. The angels succumb to His will and do whatever He wants them to, therefore they do not commit any wrong doings. Humans, on the other hand, I believe, have a freedom of choice. Its not to say that God just leaves us to be and does not have a 'plan' for us. I think he puts obstacles along the way and see how we react to such obstacles. Say for example, we failed in doing something we had tried so hard to achieve. Whether we give up or not, whether we blame God or not, whatever we do then, that, I believe, stems from our own intellect and our own ability to choose to do whatever we want from that point on. Similarly,when opportunities present themselves to us, how we react to such things is by our own choice.



read the bible prove yourself wrong and be quiet


I admit I haven't read the bible, because I am not a Christian therefore I do not suscribe to what the Bible says. It is God, from my personal opinion. After all, forums are all about opinions, is it not?


uh ok but if you think of god in any sense than you are considering the bible
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Well, if God is supposed to be the embodiment of perfection, then surely he is not bound by what humans are. For us, there are constraints of place and time, but for God, he trascends that. Therefore for us there is neccessarily such a thing as a 'future' but this is not so for God. Therefore I don't think that the word 'predestination' applies to God. Its quite a paradox, because its hard to understand perfection, yet if we infuse God with human-like qualities to make him more understandable, then, God wouldn't be so perfect after all.

I think God made us with intellect and free will. If he wanted entities without free will He already had created the angels. The angels succumb to His will and do whatever He wants them to, therefore they do not commit any wrong doings. Humans, on the other hand, I believe, have a freedom of choice. Its not to say that God just leaves us to be and does not have a 'plan' for us. I think he puts obstacles along the way and see how we react to such obstacles. Say for example, we failed in doing something we had tried so hard to achieve. Whether we give up or not, whether we blame God or not, whatever we do then, that, I believe, stems from our own intellect and our own ability to choose to do whatever we want from that point on. Similarly,when opportunities present themselves to us, how we react to such things is by our own choice.



read the bible prove yourself wrong and be quiet


I admit I haven't read the bible, because I am not a Christian therefore I do not suscribe to what the Bible says. It is God, from my personal opinion. After all, forums are all about opinions, is it not?


uh ok but if you think of god in any sense than you are considering the bible


Why? Other religions have God as well.
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no they dont believe in god...do you even know what agnostic means?
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no they dont believe in god...do you even know what agnostic means?


Well, they don't know whether or not God exists. But, yes, I am not a Christian, I haven't even actually read the bible, so I can't possibly be talking about the Christian God can I?

What I spoke of is actually the view propagated by Dr Jeffrey Lang, which is, in my opinion, the best explanation (for me) in relation to the Free Will/ God's Plan debate.
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lol! Now that's a bloody good excuse for kidnapping XD

Then again, the entire text posted was again, talking about Gods Will and Free Will. So those Israel people basically believes that they are following the Lord's Will of killing and stuff. And they make it sound like it was the Right Thing to do since it was the Lord's command.

Hence, is lust a will of Humanity, or God? If it's Gods Will, then wouldn't him/her/itself be the Devil? If it's the will of Human, God has no control over what he loved that needed to be protected.

Light, shade to Dark. Dark, opens to Light.


Edited : Neither did I know anything from the bible, I hate texts XD
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i swear why do you people start these conversation without information?

im a satanist and even i have read the bible
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I don't even know what term was created for the likes of me XD

People started these topics cause of Gods Will!! Ney, brain says need logic and answer unknown question!

Thus, topic is created. Nuff said.
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i swear why do you people start these conversation without information?

im a satanist and even i have read the bible


I wasn't aware that you need to have read the bible to participate in this discussion. The discussion is about God, is it not? Just because I am not Christian does not mean that I do not believe in a God. In fact I believe in the existance of One God. And I merely gave an explanation as to how I understand the Free Will/ God's Plan. It doesn't necessarily have to refer to the Christian God. I don't even believe in Christianity! So essentially I am Not a Atheist, I'm merely trying to explain how Free Will and God's Plan do not have to neccessarily clash with one another.

But if putting me down gives you a sense of superirority, hey, by all means, go ahead. I do not intend to start an argument regarding this.

It was part of God's plan and by my own free will that I choose not to read the bible! Respect that, thanks.
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yeah well logic is the enemy of faith because with logic religious people coudnt exist
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i swear why do you people start these conversation without information?

im a satanist and even i have read the bible


I wasn't aware that you need to have read the bible to participate in this discussion. The discussion is about God, is it not? Just because I am not Christian does not mean that I do not believe in a God. In fact I believe in the existance of One God. And I merely gave an explanation as to how I understand the Free Will/ God's Plan. It doesn't necessarily have to refer to the Christian God. I don't even believe in Christianity! So essentially I am Not a Atheist, I'm merely trying to explain how Free Will and God's Plan do not have to neccessarily clash with one another.

But if putting me down gives you a sense of superirority, hey, by all means, go ahead. I do not intend to start an argument regarding this.

It was part of God's plan and by my own free will that I choose not to read the bible! Respect that, thanks.

......that didnt make a lick of sense. what one god do you worship???
because when people just say "god" they are talking about the christian god

oh and yes putting you down is a good way to kill time while i wait for my game to update
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See, BOYVIRO666, I told you that your comments sounded like flamings >_>;; Watch out for teh moddies. They are the real power on these boards ._.
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See, BOYVIRO666, I told you that your comments sounded like flamings >_>;; Watch out for teh moddies. They are the real power on these boards ._.


yeah well im not a nice person
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BOYVIRO666 wrote:


sabakukyuu7 wrote:


BOYVIRO666 wrote:

i swear why do you people start these conversation without information?

im a satanist and even i have read the bible


I wasn't aware that you need to have read the bible to participate in this discussion. The discussion is about God, is it not? Just because I am not Christian does not mean that I do not believe in a God. In fact I believe in the existance of One God. And I merely gave an explanation as to how I understand the Free Will/ God's Plan. It doesn't necessarily have to refer to the Christian God. I don't even believe in Christianity! So essentially I am Not a Atheist, I'm merely trying to explain how Free Will and God's Plan do not have to neccessarily clash with one another.

But if putting me down gives you a sense of superirority, hey, by all means, go ahead. I do not intend to start an argument regarding this.

It was part of God's plan and by my own free will that I choose not to read the bible! Respect that, thanks.

......that didnt make a lick of sense. what one god do you worship???
because when people just say "god" they are talking about the christian god

oh and yes putting you down is a good way to kill time while i wait for my game to update


Well, if you must know, there is this other religion amongst many in the world. It is called Islam and the believers are called Muslims. They believe in a single God as well. Muslims refer to the God they believe in as God, but they are not of the same religion as Christians. Essentially, they do not believe that Jesus is God.

So, yes, I am a Muslim. Now I wait for you to flame my religion.
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But still, be a little more polite, it prevents the moddies and addies from exploding, and thus creating a large amount of data which will overwhelm us and the like of whatever alien being that lies in the depths of teh cosmos.

=On topic=

There is no such thing as Gods Will, cause I don't see cave men building an altar for him/her/itself >_>;; Yet at the same time, it could be due to the need of being in existance that God assisted Humanity in creating words, otherwise known as Lermengton(SP?) so that the word "God" could appear.


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sabakukyuu7 wrote:


BOYVIRO666 wrote:


sabakukyuu7 wrote:


BOYVIRO666 wrote:

i swear why do you people start these conversation without information?

im a satanist and even i have read the bible


I wasn't aware that you need to have read the bible to participate in this discussion. The discussion is about God, is it not? Just because I am not Christian does not mean that I do not believe in a God. In fact I believe in the existance of One God. And I merely gave an explanation as to how I understand the Free Will/ God's Plan. It doesn't necessarily have to refer to the Christian God. I don't even believe in Christianity! So essentially I am Not a Atheist, I'm merely trying to explain how Free Will and God's Plan do not have to neccessarily clash with one another.

But if putting me down gives you a sense of superirority, hey, by all means, go ahead. I do not intend to start an argument regarding this.

It was part of God's plan and by my own free will that I choose not to read the bible! Respect that, thanks.

......that didnt make a lick of sense. what one god do you worship???
because when people just say "god" they are talking about the christian god

oh and yes putting you down is a good way to kill time while i wait for my game to update


Well, if you must know, there is this other religion amongst many in the world. It is called Islam and the believers are called Muslims. They believe in a single God as well. Muslims refer to the God they believe in as God, but they are not of the same religion as Christians. Essentially, they do not believe that Jesus is God.

So, yes, I am a Muslim. Now I wait for you to flame my religion.


be a muslim all you want i would only flame you if you said you were a mormon or a scientologist. muslims are about as smart as christians. and anyway all wester religions based in north africa and europe are all the same. muslims, christians, catholics....all the same damn thing
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