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Gods Will and Free Will
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Posted 2/4/08 , edited 4/18/08

Either way, I believe Islam and Christianity or whatever it was called (Sorry...) came from the same roots XD

Those roots came from trading, therefore, it could be God's will to exert his power to Europe so as to show that he/she/itself existed. And it could be Humanity's will for the need to get richer that created such trade routes.
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be a muslim all you want i would only flame you if you said you were a mormon or a scientologist. muslims are about as smart as christians. and anyway all wester religions based in north africa and europe are all the same. muslims, christians, catholics....all the same damn thing


Seeing that some Christians are real intellectuals, I thank you for that praise. Islam is most dominant in the Middle East, did you
know? And Indonesia, is the world's largest Muslim country, and its located in South East Asia. And... the same damn thing? I highly doubt it. Maybe you should find out a bit more about them first. Well, since we've gone way off topic, I think I shall stop here for now. Thanks for entertaining me, its been fun, and I hope your game loads soon so that you won't be bored without me to put down.
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sabakukyuu7 wrote:




be a muslim all you want i would only flame you if you said you were a mormon or a scientologist. muslims are about as smart as christians. and anyway all wester religions based in north africa and europe are all the same. muslims, christians, catholics....all the same damn thing


Seeing that some Christians are real intellectuals, I thank you for that praise. Islam is most dominant in the Middle East, did you
know? And Indonesia, is the world's largest Muslim country, and its located in South East Asia. And... the same damn thing? I highly doubt it. Maybe you should find out a bit more about them first. Well, since we've gone way off topic, I think I shall stop here for now. Thanks for entertaining me, its been fun, and I hope your game loads soon so that you won't be bored without me to put down.



Erm...Wouldn't the largest Muslim country be Malaysia o_o?
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sabakukyuu7 wrote:




be a muslim all you want i would only flame you if you said you were a mormon or a scientologist. muslims are about as smart as christians. and anyway all wester religions based in north africa and europe are all the same. muslims, christians, catholics....all the same damn thing


Seeing that some Christians are real intellectuals, I thank you for that praise. Islam is most dominant in the Middle East, did you
know? And Indonesia, is the world's largest Muslim country, and its located in South East Asia. And... the same damn thing? I highly doubt it. Maybe you should find out a bit more about them first. Well, since we've gone way off topic, I think I shall stop here for now. Thanks for entertaining me, its been fun, and I hope your game loads soon so that you won't be bored without me to put down.


name 3 christian intellectuals who write without jumping to faith

and yes in almost every aspect they are the same but you woudnt really know said similiarities because yo havent read the bible
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renako wrote:


sabakukyuu7 wrote:




be a muslim all you want i would only flame you if you said you were a mormon or a scientologist. muslims are about as smart as christians. and anyway all wester religions based in north africa and europe are all the same. muslims, christians, catholics....all the same damn thing


Seeing that some Christians are real intellectuals, I thank you for that praise. Islam is most dominant in the Middle East, did you
know? And Indonesia, is the world's largest Muslim country, and its located in South East Asia. And... the same damn thing? I highly doubt it. Maybe you should find out a bit more about them first. Well, since we've gone way off topic, I think I shall stop here for now. Thanks for entertaining me, its been fun, and I hope your game loads soon so that you won't be bored without me to put down.



Erm...Wouldn't the largest Muslim country be Malaysia o_o?


I think Indonesia is larger than Malaysia. But the majority in Malaysia are Muslims.



and yes in almost every aspect they are the same but you woudnt really know said similiarities because yo havent read the bible
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Well, to you then, a difference in the God that they worship; i.e, the heart of the religion, being different, is not an important difference? Because if they are all the same why not just have one religion?



name 3 christian intellectuals who write without jumping to faith


...I'm not even going to justify that with an answer.

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lol, anyway~

Just so for your National Geography correctance, Malaysia is hell lotta bigger than Indonesia. I think it's the second largest country in Asia next to China XD
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i believe in god.. ang i believe until i die...
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ok so this is my theory...god made a plan for you and within this grand plan are small plans that ultimately lead to it but he decided to give you free will. and since you have this free will you are able to control your destiny (not that i'm a believer in destiny) your grad plan therefore in constant flux because of the choices that you make.



this is the same as if you could see the future. everytime you saw the future you would want to alter it and when you do the future changes since you changed the steps leading to it.

i don't know maybe i'm not making sens
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It is Gods will for us to have free-will. its up to us on what to do about that free-will. and by the end, we will be judged, the separation of lambs from goats. repent or go to hell its your choice.
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lol, anyway~

Just so for your National Geography correctance, Malaysia is hell lotta bigger than Indonesia. I think it's the second largest country in Asia next to China XD


''The Republic of Indonesia (IPA: /ˌɪndoʊˈniːziːə/, /ˌɪndəˈniːziːə/) (Indonesian: Republik Indonesia), is a nation in Southeast Asia. Comprising 17,508 islands, it is the world's largest archipelagic state. With a population of over 234 million people, it is the world's fourth most populous country and the most populous Muslim-majority nation, although officially it is not an Islamic state.''

''The population of Malaysia is approximately 25 million.''

The size of Indonesia is : 1,919,440 km² (16th), or 735,355 sq mi

The size of Malaysia is: 329,847 km²

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I can remember god stating its (god has no gender) specific will, and punishing people for not following it, Like Jonah and the Israelites, and telling the prophets to... er become prophets. I can not remember an aftermath where god has said: ah! You didn't abide by my hidden desire, so now I'll punish you. I do seem to rememer the golden calf was warned against, but I can not remember. So, I would believe that a specific will would be presented to you, if indeed there was a specific plan. You would still have a free will, but it would be punishable. However, one may argue that not all will be punished, for instance the council against Joshua/Jesus. Then again they were more told, then warned, I believe. So, since god states his specific will if it's important, but otherwise don't, my conclusion would be: total free will unless told otherwise. And also: god has no specific plan for you, its up to you.
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Life is like a road map, you can turn right or left on ur own, but god knows ur final destination.

SOOOO the posibilities for you life are endless. Yet whatever you decide God knows the outcome.
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Attempts at resolving this problem are violations of the law of identity (and are therefore nonsensical) unless people begin to define free will or omniscience differently.

Taking God out of the equation, however, I don't see why free will matters. Since we seem to be able to make our own choices and cannot see the future, we may as well have free will even if we do not.

Personally, though, I see no room for existential hope of this nature (free will, possibility of possibility, etc.) in the face of modern science.

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I don't see how so it is irrelevant, OP. I am saying how Gods Will and Free Will are simply the same, how the Almighty could have been made to be in existance because there was a desire for him/her/itself to appear. So if simply that's the case, Gods Will is simply Free Will because it was the desire of Humanity.

And like the topic stated, Gods Will and Free Will, not about the concept of God. I am simply inputting my thoughts to be looked at.

To sabakukyuu7 : Eh, I thought Indonesia was just the land near lower Meleka X.x;; Or that's what we are taught in Asia, and that's the first time I heard of a Republic of Indonesia XD
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