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This is a result of the Quran being taken literally, and if you read the Quran you would understand why. It is dangerous.


Have you even read the Quran? It's not dangerous.


The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
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This is all terrible. There's just.
So much needless death.

Can you beleive that some nimrods on tumblr are apparently DEFENDING the terrorists because they're islamic? No, being Islamic doesnt give you a right to murder people for their free fucking speech. Being any religion or any identity doesn't exempt you from NOT FUCKING MURDERING PEOPLE. Murder is a CRIME. I cannot beleive there are people defending the perpetrators of this tradgedy. I for one hope all of them are found and killed. I'd prefer a public execution but I'm not sure if that's legal.


That's why I hate tumblr and I finally got myself to deleting my account. Tumbr is just like the news. Giving you your daily brainwashed current events. Goodness. Nobody in that websites does their research when actually reading "articles".


Exactly. The social justice trash pollute the site and spread all these unfortunate and sad little lies. And the younger kids there who don't bother to check actual news outlets eat them up. The misinformation makes me so, so sad. I literally saw a freaking post saying they were, and I quote "proponents of Islamaphobia". They were being satirical, you easily offended and confused children, and were killed for their exercising of a basic human right, free speech!

If there's one thing the last six months have taught me, it's that Tumblr has a good side, and a bad side, and that the two often get intermixed and there's almost no way to prevent it. I almost started to believe the propaganda and lies they were spreading; and I was having former "friends" and other people essentially bringing me to this brink, the literal edge of a cliff, because they were harassing me about events and fights that we had months before.

In January I was told I wasn't allowed to like a character because he sexually harassed, and that he was a worse character than a man who makes girls commit suicide, and that to like him made me a morally inept person. I tried to relapse my self destructive habits over three times in the next year following that because of the constant dogging I got from this person, who has wrongfully called me out for behaviors and accused me of "stalking"! Yes, I basically tried to slit my wrists and OD on sleeping pills because people not only used me to extort information, but also to humiliate me. Some people are truly sick in their conquests to obtain power for the very reason that they want to be right, or they just like hurting others.

I basically got messages once or twice saying that I deserved to be killed and raped (after I specifically posted weeks before that I hated being told anything about me and rape, because my emotionally/verbally abusive mom always used to tell me I was susceptible to rape and that I was going to get raped) , and I got constantly bombarded by a person on Skype who stalked my blog - and demanded I pay attention to them (x) hours a day on skype when I felt really uncomfortable talking to them at all, under the pretenses that they'd basically start sending me threats if I didn't talk to them. It was really really sick.

By the time I got to December, I realized, Tumblr was the root of me feeling like crap. And I was sick of venting out of the paranoia that I would be found and called out for something, and have my words twisted in the very way social justice warriors twist everything. I had found in November after a session with my therapist and a sneaking suspicion that I had it, that I was suffering from Borderline Personality Disorder, and that was already stressful enough.

I was sick of seeing children there use mental illness as novelties and genders and sexualities as novelties and cool little "accessories" to add to their personaltiy for attention. Having been diagnosed clinically depressed since age eight and GAD since thirteen, and now BPD. mental problems are nothing, nothing to be glamorized or glorified and it disgusts me that people see them as throwaway things that they can fake. They are truly one of the most painful ways one can live, mental illness is literally wayward brain chemistry, a neurological defect! And these kids are acting as if they're nothing!

I was sick of the site, and it's lies, and the pain it caused me.

And that is why I deleted. I'm an adult and I'm not going to act like a misinformed and ignorant child, nor argue with them, and that is that. So I axed both my accounts, admittedly i check the sites stances on "social justice" issues to see if they've changed at all, and once again, they're highly ignorant and spreading lies.

I wonder if they'll ever change…
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Technically. Yes this is from the Quaran being taken literally, by radical Muslims who just happen to be crazy enough to follow every instruction given to the latter.
I don't have anything to back up my evidence, except a discussion with my dad, and the fact that my uncle is Muslim but would never do anything like the radicals, because he doesn't interpret the book literally.

Like, if there's a passage that says, "kill those who dishonor Mohammad through depictions" (i.e. cartoons in this case) most people aren't going to take that literally, but I believe the perpetrators do. Which is more terrifying than anything else.

Many holy books and codes says some awful things as well that should be done to those who disobey (insert diety here) but I seldom see bible thumpers committing mass murders, as idiotic and bigoted as they are. This is almost exclusively an Islam thing, and is limited to very small, cultlike sects of Islam, that do not represent the majority of the Islamic religion.
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Technically. Yes this is from the Quaran being taken literally, by radical Muslims who just happen to be crazy enough to follow every instruction given to the latter.
I don't have anything to back up my evidence, except a discussion with my dad, and the fact that my uncle is Muslim but would never do anything like the radicals, because he doesn't interpret the book literally.

Like, if there's a passage that says, "kill those who dishonor Mohammad through depictions" (i.e. cartoons in this case) most people aren't going to take that literally, but I believe the perpetrators do. Which is more terrifying than anything else.

Many holy books and codes says some awful things as well that should be done to those who disobey (insert diety here) but I seldom see bible thumpers committing mass murders, as idiotic and bigoted as they are.


Not to mention the majority Buddhists persecuting the Muslims in Burma/Myanmar (?).

Brb, checking facts.
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ayesharocks wrote:


LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

This is a result of the Quran being taken literally, and if you read the Quran you would understand why. It is dangerous.


Have you even read the Quran? It's not dangerous.


The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.

Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subjective as anything else in the Quran.

The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God, however this can work both ways. Most of today's Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book's call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.

Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad's own martial legacy - and that of his companions - along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.


Please give me verses on your accusations. Wheres your proof? I've read the book numerous times and have not seen this at all.
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ayesharocks wrote:

Please give me verses on your accusations. Wheres your proof? I've read the book numerous times and have not seen this at all.


Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

And these are just a few.
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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

And these are just a few.


The first verse is referring to self-defense. It was revealed when the Muslims were being attacked by the Quraish (enemy), they would attack them while they were praying, and would even torture them, kill even the kids, etc. Allah told them to defend themselves by attacking them. Before you give verses, make sure to know when they were revealed. Anything can look bad if you take it out of context.
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ayesharocks wrote:

The first verse is referring to self-defense. It was revealed when the Muslims were being attacked by the Quraish (enemy), they would attack them while they were praying, and would even torture them, kill even the kids, etc. Allah told them to defend themselves by attacking them. Before you give verses, make sure to know when they were revealed. Anything can look bad if you take it out of context.


The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
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LONGNAMEYOUWONTMISS wrote:

The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is thus disingenuous (the actual Muslim words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The actual Arabic comes from "fitna" which can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. Taken as a whole, the context makes clear that violence is being authorized until "religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.


True, I'm done, lol. I'm agnostic, but I do come from a Muslim family, and maybe you can see why I left. But, just to counterattack, many religions claim to get rid of the nonbelievers and such and such. It is not just Islam who does. Nice copy-pasting work, by the way.
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