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i clean my room, bathroom, and buy my own groceries, i have a robot vacuum cleaner ;o i live with my grandma and she insists on cooking and doing my laundry. its nice, but i feel so guilty, but when i do it myself she makes me feel even worse, like i refused her love or something. so i just deal with it not so bad lol
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Talking about chores seems pretty secondary based on your post. I'm just left with one question. Why not just get replacement documents get a job then move out?


My chores were always just whatever needs to be done at the time along with the various things where I am the only one with the skills or knowledge to do them.


It's easier said than done especially if OP's mom employs the whole "family is everything" tactic to keep her children around and guilts them into not leaving. Assuming she does that... I don't know, obviously.


Yeah, and the guilt that might come with moving out elsewhere and not knowing what's going on with the people left behind and how they're living (or lack thereof).


Well, she verbally abuses me when I say I am trying to move in with my boyfriend.
My mom mentally tortures me and I just break. She is also in bad shape: diabetes, heart attack, brain bleed are just a few things she is inflicted with and she tries to pull the card, "I'll just die all alone, thanks to my thankless kids"
She's had a tough life (not going to get into that), and she uses the internet as an outlet.
She's pushed every one of her family members away but she expects the world to hand her everything for free.
Such a frustrating woman.


I grew up with physical and emotional abuse so I definitely can understand. But now my mother is 'retired' because she had a surgery to fix her neck a year ago and she never went through any sort of rehabilitation besides going to therapy for an hour twice a week and doing 'exercises' every day (five minutes of bs, basically). She likes to try guilting everyone else these days because she 'can't do anything', and my poor father works 12ish hours five days a week to come home to having to deal with her shit. All she does is sit on the couch all day and if she drops stuff she refuses to pick it up off the floor because she 'can't', among anything else she feels the need to not try to do. So yeah, I totally understand the whole having to be around a person that does nothing but expects everyone else to cater. I can't afford to live on my own but my relationship is going well so hopefully I'll be outta here this year (finally). On one hand I feel bad that my dad will have to end up doing absolutely everything around here once I leave, but on the other hand I can't just do everything when I get home from work myself either. And I'm sick of dealing with it, I'm too old for this shit.
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xIronKitsunex wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

Talking about chores seems pretty secondary based on your post. I'm just left with one question. Why not just get replacement documents get a job then move out?


My chores were always just whatever needs to be done at the time along with the various things where I am the only one with the skills or knowledge to do them.


I have ordered my birth certificate and received it, but I have to go to my state capitol to receive a social security card to get an ID made so I can apply for a job.
Problem with this, is that I can't drive and everyone I know can not make an hour trip for me.


Ah, the limits of not driving. I know them well. I'm guessing then since you have no job you have no income and therefore cannot simply pay someone to take you either. Maybe public transportation? I hear that is supposed to be cheap...assuming you live somewhere that has adequate transportation services.

As for the guilt tactics and such...you just have to see things in a different way. You wouldn't be abandoning anyone just setting yourself up to be in a better position to do something for your brother since it seems he needs help as well. Disabled people get that money so they don't have to work after all...and I'm not entirely sure but I always thought that if you got disability checks that working kind of made those go away.... I could be wrong though. Despite being told that it might be possible for me to get it I still never bothered looking into how that whole system works.


My brother's check goes towards our rent and bills. The rest literally just disappears and I wouldn't dare ask my mother for money, especially money that is legally my brother's (we're twins, both 19). Although he tries to be independent and refuses help (he is autistic and bipolar), he could always discontinue his check but he knows my mother and I would be on the streets without it. He works a minimum wage job, and as long as he doesn't go over minimum wage the government won't take his check away.

I live no where near a transit system. The town I live in is right next to a metropolitan city. I could call up a taxi but then again, that's money that I don't have.
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deer wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

Talking about chores seems pretty secondary based on your post. I'm just left with one question. Why not just get replacement documents get a job then move out?


My chores were always just whatever needs to be done at the time along with the various things where I am the only one with the skills or knowledge to do them.


It's easier said than done especially if OP's mom employs the whole "family is everything" tactic to keep her children around and guilts them into not leaving. Assuming she does that... I don't know, obviously.


Yes, Deer, that is exactly what she does.
She has psychologically damaged my brother and especially myself because she is dependent on us, mostly me.



That's a very dangerous thing to teach children (that family is everything...); it really hinders an individual to grow properly. My best friend has the same problem and she feels obligated to work a minimum wage job/leave school in order to pay her family's bills... which I understand to an extent but I don't being that I've never had to experience something like that. I digress though.

It seems that transportation seems to be an issue for you which is understandable, is it possible to have a friend or a family member drive you to where you need to go in exchange for a favor/small fee? Moving out is especially difficult given that financial barriers often barricade a successful transition but um... my best advice would be to save up as much as you can... and work on making things better for yourself... You probably already know this. Anyway, it would be in your best interest to distant yourself from your mother because it just seems like she's hindering you from becoming a person and that's not healthy.
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That guilt trip sucks.

What happens when either of your parents gets really old? Would you actually take care of them or send them to a nursing home?


I don't know my real father
My mother has a bunch of health problems. She's at a point where she CAN take care of herself but she refuses to. I wouldn't just leave my mother if I wasn't confident enough that she could take care of herself. I'd make sure she has the help she needs.
But that's no reason to bring down your kids and not let them make a life for themselves.
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i clean my room, bathroom, and buy my own groceries, i have a robot vacuum cleaner ;o i live with my grandma and she insists on cooking and doing my laundry. its nice, but i feel so guilty, but when i do it myself she makes me feel even worse, like i refused her love or something. so i just deal with it not so bad lol


That sounds exactly like my granma when I stay my summers with her!
But I do things for her anyway because she has knee problems and I never want her on her feet if I can help it, despite the guilt I feel
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My brother's check goes towards our rent and bills. The rest literally just disappears and I wouldn't dare ask my mother for money, especially money that is legally my brother's (we're twins, both 19). Although he tries to be independent and refuses help (he is autistic and bipolar), he could always discontinue his check but he knows my mother and I would be on the streets without it. He works a minimum wage job, and as long as he doesn't go over minimum wage the government won't take his check away.

I live no where near a transit system. The town I live in is right next to a metropolitan city. I could call up a taxi but then again, that's money that I don't have.


(Probably won't reply here to any future responses so I don't continue to go off-topic of the thread)

I figured that is where the check went I was just stating that it was my understanding that someone who gets it shouldn't still be working. If that is the rule though of not going over minimum wage though that makes it no real problem. I was just hoping it wasn't some sort of exploitation, more than it already is, on your moms part. As in taking his check and forcing him to work for even more of her income. If nobody has the time to drive you perhaps you could convince some people to help pay for a taxi or loan the money. It would suck to have to pay that much for transportation but it would basically be an investment into your future if it were for the purpose of ultimately obtaining a job.


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Finally, someone who feels my pain!
My boyfriend just moved in with me a few months ago and he's been trying to pave a way for us to get a place of our own.
My mother won't get off of her ass to do anything! She makes me get her food, drink, everything else because she simply doesn't feel like doing it herself. My entire life she has neglected my disabled brother and I so she can sit and waste away on her computer because that is the ONLY thing she ever sees. Girl, I feel you so hard. We might need to cry together.


Your boyfriend just moved in with you? Into that situation?.....I suppose he can't be relied on as much as I was hoping.
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IshokuOsero wrote:


xIronKitsunex wrote:


IshokuOsero wrote:


deer wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

Talking about chores seems pretty secondary based on your post. I'm just left with one question. Why not just get replacement documents get a job then move out?


My chores were always just whatever needs to be done at the time along with the various things where I am the only one with the skills or knowledge to do them.


It's easier said than done especially if OP's mom employs the whole "family is everything" tactic to keep her children around and guilts them into not leaving. Assuming she does that... I don't know, obviously.


Yeah, and the guilt that might come with moving out elsewhere and not knowing what's going on with the people left behind and how they're living (or lack thereof).


Well, she verbally abuses me when I say I am trying to move in with my boyfriend.
My mom mentally tortures me and I just break. She is also in bad shape: diabetes, heart attack, brain bleed are just a few things she is inflicted with and she tries to pull the card, "I'll just die all alone, thanks to my thankless kids"
She's had a tough life (not going to get into that), and she uses the internet as an outlet.
She's pushed every one of her family members away but she expects the world to hand her everything for free.
Such a frustrating woman.


I grew up with physical and emotional abuse so I definitely can understand. But now my mother is 'retired' because she had a surgery to fix her neck a year ago and she never went through any sort of rehabilitation besides going to therapy for an hour twice a week and doing 'exercises' every day (five minutes of bs, basically). She likes to try guilting everyone else these days because she 'can't do anything', and my poor father works 12ish hours five days a week to come home to having to deal with her shit. All she does is sit on the couch all day and if she drops stuff she refuses to pick it up off the floor because she 'can't', among anything else she feels the need to not try to do. So yeah, I totally understand the whole having to be around a person that does nothing but expects everyone else to cater. I can't afford to live on my own but my relationship is going well so hopefully I'll be outta here this year (finally). On one hand I feel bad that my dad will have to end up doing absolutely everything around here once I leave, but on the other hand I can't just do everything when I get home from work myself either. And I'm sick of dealing with it, I'm too old for this shit.


Finally, someone who feels my pain!
My boyfriend just moved in with me a few months ago and he's been trying to pave a way for us to get a place of our own.
My mother won't get off of her ass to do anything! She makes me get her food, drink, everything else because she simply doesn't feel like doing it herself. My entire life she has neglected my disabled brother and I so she can sit and waste away on her computer because that is the ONLY thing she ever sees. Girl, I feel you so hard. We might need to cry together.
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Usually if it's too frigid your plants won't be able to thrive. Are orchids bulbs? If so, they SHOULD be able to live. Also, are you directing it toward the sunlight next to a window or something?


it's near the sunlight, but I usually turn on the air con to make my room really cold. because I can't sleep when it's warm... I don't think it's a bulb plant...
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xIronKitsunex wrote:

Usually if it's too frigid your plants won't be able to thrive. Are orchids bulbs? If so, they SHOULD be able to live. Also, are you directing it toward the sunlight next to a window or something?


it's near the sunlight, but I usually turn on the air con to make my room really cold. because I can't sleep when it's warm... I don't think it's a bulb plant...


I don't know if it is all orchids but I know some need the temperature to be about 70F+ during the day and then have it drop down at least 10 degrees overnight. The changing temperature helps them. They should be fine down as low as 50-55F though.
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xIronKitsunex wrote:


deer wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

Talking about chores seems pretty secondary based on your post. I'm just left with one question. Why not just get replacement documents get a job then move out?


My chores were always just whatever needs to be done at the time along with the various things where I am the only one with the skills or knowledge to do them.


It's easier said than done especially if OP's mom employs the whole "family is everything" tactic to keep her children around and guilts them into not leaving. Assuming she does that... I don't know, obviously.


Yes, Deer, that is exactly what she does.
She has psychologically damaged my brother and especially myself because she is dependent on us, mostly me.



That's a very dangerous thing to teach children (that family is everything...); it really hinders an individual to grow properly. My best friend has the same problem and she feels obligated to work a minimum wage job/leave school in order to pay her family's bills... which I understand to an extent but I don't being that I've never had to experience something like that. I digress though.

It seems that transportation seems to be an issue for you which is understandable, is it possible to have a friend or a family member drive you to where you need to go in exchange for a favor/small fee? Moving out is especially difficult given that financial barriers often barricade a successful transition but um... my best advice would be to save up as much as you can... and work on making things better for yourself... You probably already know this. Anyway, it would be in your best interest to distant yourself from your mother because it just seems like she's hindering you from becoming a person and that's not healthy.


Right now, I regret my standoff-ishness because I could never manage my home life and friends, and my mom never let me have people over and I always had trouble keeping friends. Now that I need someone, I have no one. My family lives about an hour away. I mean, I literally have no one. And it's just depressing. I will never understand my mother and I do realize the way she is treating me is not right just because she doesn't want to be alone. Honestly, it's her own fault she is alone because she has pushed everyone away just like it's my fault I have no one close. I do have a boyfriend who is living with me, but he works during the week and offices are closed during the weekend and we both are reluctant for him to have to take off from work. He is trying to save up enough money to move out because he is also sick of how my mother treats me and him as well. I'm usually an optimistic person and I do have faith in God which seems to be the only thing that keeps me going these days.
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xIronKitsunex wrote:


IshokuOsero wrote:


xIronKitsunex wrote:


IshokuOsero wrote:


deer wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

Talking about chores seems pretty secondary based on your post. I'm just left with one question. Why not just get replacement documents get a job then move out?


My chores were always just whatever needs to be done at the time along with the various things where I am the only one with the skills or knowledge to do them.


It's easier said than done especially if OP's mom employs the whole "family is everything" tactic to keep her children around and guilts them into not leaving. Assuming she does that... I don't know, obviously.


Yeah, and the guilt that might come with moving out elsewhere and not knowing what's going on with the people left behind and how they're living (or lack thereof).


Well, she verbally abuses me when I say I am trying to move in with my boyfriend.
My mom mentally tortures me and I just break. She is also in bad shape: diabetes, heart attack, brain bleed are just a few things she is inflicted with and she tries to pull the card, "I'll just die all alone, thanks to my thankless kids"
She's had a tough life (not going to get into that), and she uses the internet as an outlet.
She's pushed every one of her family members away but she expects the world to hand her everything for free.
Such a frustrating woman.


I grew up with physical and emotional abuse so I definitely can understand. But now my mother is 'retired' because she had a surgery to fix her neck a year ago and she never went through any sort of rehabilitation besides going to therapy for an hour twice a week and doing 'exercises' every day (five minutes of bs, basically). She likes to try guilting everyone else these days because she 'can't do anything', and my poor father works 12ish hours five days a week to come home to having to deal with her shit. All she does is sit on the couch all day and if she drops stuff she refuses to pick it up off the floor because she 'can't', among anything else she feels the need to not try to do. So yeah, I totally understand the whole having to be around a person that does nothing but expects everyone else to cater. I can't afford to live on my own but my relationship is going well so hopefully I'll be outta here this year (finally). On one hand I feel bad that my dad will have to end up doing absolutely everything around here once I leave, but on the other hand I can't just do everything when I get home from work myself either. And I'm sick of dealing with it, I'm too old for this shit.


Finally, someone who feels my pain!
My boyfriend just moved in with me a few months ago and he's been trying to pave a way for us to get a place of our own.
My mother won't get off of her ass to do anything! She makes me get her food, drink, everything else because she simply doesn't feel like doing it herself. My entire life she has neglected my disabled brother and I so she can sit and waste away on her computer because that is the ONLY thing she ever sees. Girl, I feel you so hard. We might need to cry together.



Oh yeah, I definitely do. Not to the extent you've been dealing with yours but I get where you're coming from. Mine will still get up and get her food and all that kind of stuff, and she sometimes does laundry (but makes it out to be a huge ordeal because we live in a bi-level and the machines are on the first floor). The other day I was vacuuming though and she told me I'd have to pick up this plate she dropped that had napkins on it and I told her I was just going to vacuum around it. It was pretty amazing how quickly she had it cleaned up when she realized I wasn't going to put up with it. But when I was growing up she was always a cleaning fanatic (and she worked and she went to college when I was young because when she had been younger she wasn't able to due to not being able to afford it), so it's not like she's been lazy all her life. Mentally abusive to me, yes. But not lazy. I wouldn't have been able to deal with even this stuff I've been dealing with the past year here for a long time, and I certainly wouldn't have been able to grow up around someone who left things unclean. But then, who knows, maybe I would have been. I have an ex who had a few siblings and one of them and his mother are hoarders plus they have animals, and that house from what I've heard is absolutely awful. He and one of his sisters are the only ones that actually care but they've given up a long time ago. So maybe I would've been the same way? I guess I'd never know.
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My brother's check goes towards our rent and bills. The rest literally just disappears and I wouldn't dare ask my mother for money, especially money that is legally my brother's (we're twins, both 19). Although he tries to be independent and refuses help (he is autistic and bipolar), he could always discontinue his check but he knows my mother and I would be on the streets without it. He works a minimum wage job, and as long as he doesn't go over minimum wage the government won't take his check away.

I live no where near a transit system. The town I live in is right next to a metropolitan city. I could call up a taxi but then again, that's money that I don't have.


(Probably won't reply here to any future responses so I don't continue to go off-topic of the thread)

I figured that is where the check went I was just stating that it was my understanding that someone who gets it shouldn't still be working. If that is the rule though of not going over minimum wage though that makes it no real problem. I was just hoping it wasn't some sort of exploitation, more than it already is, on your moms part. As in taking his check and forcing him to work for even more of her income. If nobody has the time to drive you perhaps you could convince some people to help pay for a taxi or loan the money. It would suck to have to pay that much for transportation but it would basically be an investment into your future if it were for the purpose of ultimately obtaining a job.


xIronKitsunex wrote:



Finally, someone who feels my pain!
My boyfriend just moved in with me a few months ago and he's been trying to pave a way for us to get a place of our own.
My mother won't get off of her ass to do anything! She makes me get her food, drink, everything else because she simply doesn't feel like doing it herself. My entire life she has neglected my disabled brother and I so she can sit and waste away on her computer because that is the ONLY thing she ever sees. Girl, I feel you so hard. We might need to cry together.


Your boyfriend just moved in with you? Into that situation?.....I suppose he can't be relied on as much as I was hoping.



My boyfriend came to live with me from Florida all the way to Kentucky and he has a good job, makes really good money and I am depending on him to get us the hell out of here.
He didn't believe me when I would talk about my home situation but now that he's lived here and experienced what I go through on a daily basis, he is just as determined to get out and to take me with him.

My mother didn't force him to get a job, he got it on his own since he has more connections than me. He's more social and I'm too prideful to ask for help, although I don't mean to be. I just hate owing people. Anyways, he found out that he could take up a job and keep his check as long as he didn't make over a certain amount. I was surprised myself.
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IshokuOsero wrote:


xIronKitsunex wrote:


IshokuOsero wrote:


xIronKitsunex wrote:


IshokuOsero wrote:


deer wrote:


justanotherguy_2005 wrote:

Talking about chores seems pretty secondary based on your post. I'm just left with one question. Why not just get replacement documents get a job then move out?


My chores were always just whatever needs to be done at the time along with the various things where I am the only one with the skills or knowledge to do them.


It's easier said than done especially if OP's mom employs the whole "family is everything" tactic to keep her children around and guilts them into not leaving. Assuming she does that... I don't know, obviously.


Yeah, and the guilt that might come with moving out elsewhere and not knowing what's going on with the people left behind and how they're living (or lack thereof).


Well, she verbally abuses me when I say I am trying to move in with my boyfriend.
My mom mentally tortures me and I just break. She is also in bad shape: diabetes, heart attack, brain bleed are just a few things she is inflicted with and she tries to pull the card, "I'll just die all alone, thanks to my thankless kids"
She's had a tough life (not going to get into that), and she uses the internet as an outlet.
She's pushed every one of her family members away but she expects the world to hand her everything for free.
Such a frustrating woman.


I grew up with physical and emotional abuse so I definitely can understand. But now my mother is 'retired' because she had a surgery to fix her neck a year ago and she never went through any sort of rehabilitation besides going to therapy for an hour twice a week and doing 'exercises' every day (five minutes of bs, basically). She likes to try guilting everyone else these days because she 'can't do anything', and my poor father works 12ish hours five days a week to come home to having to deal with her shit. All she does is sit on the couch all day and if she drops stuff she refuses to pick it up off the floor because she 'can't', among anything else she feels the need to not try to do. So yeah, I totally understand the whole having to be around a person that does nothing but expects everyone else to cater. I can't afford to live on my own but my relationship is going well so hopefully I'll be outta here this year (finally). On one hand I feel bad that my dad will have to end up doing absolutely everything around here once I leave, but on the other hand I can't just do everything when I get home from work myself either. And I'm sick of dealing with it, I'm too old for this shit.


Finally, someone who feels my pain!
My boyfriend just moved in with me a few months ago and he's been trying to pave a way for us to get a place of our own.
My mother won't get off of her ass to do anything! She makes me get her food, drink, everything else because she simply doesn't feel like doing it herself. My entire life she has neglected my disabled brother and I so she can sit and waste away on her computer because that is the ONLY thing she ever sees. Girl, I feel you so hard. We might need to cry together.



Oh yeah, I definitely do. Not to the extent you've been dealing with yours but I get where you're coming from. Mine will still get up and get her food and all that kind of stuff, and she sometimes does laundry (but makes it out to be a huge ordeal because we live in a bi-level and the machines are on the first floor). The other day I was vacuuming though and she told me I'd have to pick up this plate she dropped that had napkins on it and I told her I was just going to vacuum around it. It was pretty amazing how quickly she had it cleaned up when she realized I wasn't going to put up with it. But when I was growing up she was always a cleaning fanatic (and she worked and she went to college when I was young because when she had been younger she wasn't able to due to not being able to afford it), so it's not like she's been lazy all her life. Mentally abusive to me, yes. But not lazy. I wouldn't have been able to deal with even this stuff I've been dealing with the past year here for a long time, and I certainly wouldn't have been able to grow up around someone who left things unclean. But then, who knows, maybe I would have been. I have an ex who had a few siblings and one of them and his mother are hoarders plus they have animals, and that house from what I've heard is absolutely awful. He and one of his sisters are the only ones that actually care but they've given up a long time ago. So maybe I would've been the same way? I guess I'd never know.


In the dictionary, there is a picture of my mom next to lazy adj.
Our apartment duplex is also a bi level. The bedrooms and one bathroom is on the second floor and everything else is on the first floor. She is too lazy to go down the stairs to get food or anything else she needs. If she makes a mess, she will ask me to clean it up but she will let it sit there for as long as I wait to clean it up. If there is cat feces or urine on the floor, she'll look at it but that's it. I'll clean it when I see it. She leaves mounds of dirty dishes in her room and when I can't take her mess anymore, she knows I'll break and clean it up for her. She throw around her trash and leaves clothes and things on the floors for the cats to piss on and then she wonders why our places smells like cat piss when she KNOWS one of our cats spray. I mean, I take care of the litterbox, the breakfast, lunch and dinners of everyday. The dishes, the floors, the counters, I mean everything. It takes up my entire day sometimes where I just need to collapse. I mean, I really want to start college and I'm already a year late. I can't drive and I don't have the necessities to get a job. She's literally taken everything from me and I can't take it anymore.
My entire life, my mom has depended on her husbands/boyfriends to pay the bills and they leave her because she lack wifehood and motherhood. She neglects them as well as her children and then she wonders why she's lonely???
My mother isn't a hoarder, she just likes to live like a pig. There are days when I don't feel like cleaning or taking care of everyone, I need a break too. And things get piled up, the dishes, the trash the floors get piled with cat hair and dirt etc. And when I finally break and I can't take the pig sty anymore, the built of mess is appalling and depressing to me that sometimes I almost leave her and go somewhere, anywhere. The ways she talk down to me like a dog, as if she still has authority over me. She likes to cause arguments and make a big deal over spilled milk, the little things.
One of her husbands relatives actually sexually abused me for about a year. And she NEVER noticed it because she was too busy on the internet to give a damn about anything but what was on the screen.
And she wonders why I resent her? After all the neglect and mistreatment my entire life.
Woah, sorry for the rant there. I got a little carried away.

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xIronKitsunex wrote:

Usually if it's too frigid your plants won't be able to thrive. Are orchids bulbs? If so, they SHOULD be able to live. Also, are you directing it toward the sunlight next to a window or something?


it's near the sunlight, but I usually turn on the air con to make my room really cold. because I can't sleep when it's warm... I don't think it's a bulb plant...


I don't know if it is all orchids but I know some need the temperature to be about 70F+ during the day and then have it drop down at least 10 degrees overnight. The changing temperature helps them. They should be fine down as low as 50-55F though.


You probably have your air conditioner pooling on them so of course they're not going to be able to live.
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