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Infinite growth in consumption and population is not possible on a finite planet. You can only have x amount of people consuming y amount of resources on the planet at any given time. You cannot exceed your carrying capacity if you want to survive in the long-term. If you exceed the carrying capacity of the environment, your population will be reduced until it is below the carrying capacity of the environment. The new carrying capacity (after exceeding the carrying capacity for a long time) will be lower than the original carrying capacity.

We (as a species) have already exceeded our carrying capacity by a long shot. We are able to exceed the carrying capacity of our environment mostly due to fossil fuels. Unless we take the measures to naturally reduce our population, our population will naturally be reduced by plague, famine, war and other disasters.

You want proof of us exceeding our carrying capacity? We are destroying 150 species everyday. We are destroying about 50,000 species every year around the world. We are in the middle of a mass extinction comparable to the extinction that wiped out the dinosaurs. We are the cause of this extinction. The fact there is over 7 billion of us on this planet is the cause of this extinction.



If you look at a graph of human population of the past 2000 years (starting from 1 AD), what you will notice is that the human population was only at around 200 million at the time of Christ. It remains fairly stable until right before the Bubonic plague where it increases a bit (to about 400 million people). And then there is a little dip in population due to the Bubonic Plague around 1350 AD. And then fast forward a few hundred years later, we have the Industrial Revolution. That's when the population starts to rapidly grow. There was only 1 billion people on this planet 200 years ago. But around 1900 (at the turn of the 20th century), what you see as oil became ubiquitous, the population grows in an almost perfectly vertical line from 1.6 billion in 1900 to over 7.2 billion in 2014.

The extra 5 billion plus people exist almost solely because of fossil fuels. There is no case in nature where a population experiences rapid, vertical growth (be it bacteria in a petri dish or caribou on an Arctic island) due to favorable circumstances doesn't experience an immediate crash in population afterwards. It is a law. It is a law as fundamental as gravity. It is a law as fundamental as thermodynamics. And if one thinks of it, it might also be true of the stock exchange or financial markets which go upwards vertically with extremely rapid growth will crash downwards afterwards. It is the history of every bubble.

Unless mankind surrenders to the fact that he lives on a finite planet and that he must live in balance with all of the animal and plant life, we can never have true happiness. Mankind has not surrendered to the fact he lives on a finite planet, and he continues to destroy the habitat of all of the other plant and animals species on this planet, so he can never achieve true happiness and stability under these circumstances. Mankind continues to live in the delusion of infinite growth on a finite planet. Unless we stop our infinite growth in consumption and population, we will experience a massive die off or even an extinction of our entire species.

That's my message. It might be difficult to accept, but unless you accept this, the human race is doomed.
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Google. Just google 150 species becoming extinct everyday. And yes, there is indeed 50,000 species becoming extinct every year.

http://www.savetheamazon.org/rainforeststats.htm


Experts estimates that we are losing 137 plant, animal and insect species every single day due to rainforest deforestation. That equates to 50,000 species a year.


And just look at any graph of human population...we start at roughly 200 million people in 1 AD, and it gradually grows to 400 million by 1300 AD. And then there is a little dip in population due to the Bubonic plague. And then we reach 1 billion in the early 1800s. And we reach 1.6 billion in 1900. And we shoot up to 7.2 billion people in 2014. The increase from 1.6 billion to 7.2 billion was largely due to oil, as Michael Ruppert said in the movie Collapse.

It says in this movie that the increase in population from 1.6 billion to 7.2 billion was due to oil....the movie in the following link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVd-zAXACrU

All of this info is based on years of researching mainstream media. This is all scientific fact. Infinite consumption and infinite population growth is not possible on a finite planet.
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Google. Just google 150 species becoming extinct everyday. And yes, there is indeed 50,000 species becoming extinct every year.

http://www.savetheamazon.org/rainforeststats.htm


Experts estimates that we are losing 137 plant, animal and insect species every single day due to rainforest deforestation. That equates to 50,000 species a year.


And just look at any graph of human population...we start at roughly 200 million people in 1 AD, and it gradually grows to 400 million by 1300 AD. And then there is a little dip in population due to the Bubonic plague. And then we reach 1 billion in the early 1800s. And we reach 1.6 billion in 1900. And we shoot up to 7.2 billion people in 2014. The increase from 1.6 billion to 7.2 billion was largely due to oil, as Michael Ruppert said in the movie Collapse.

It says in this movie that the increase in population from 1.6 billion to 7.2 billion was due to oil....the movie in the following link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVd-zAXACrU

All of this info is based on years of researching mainstream media. This is all scientific fact. Infinite consumption and infinite population growth is not possible on a finite planet.


Okay, and you hope to accomplish what exactly? I'm not quite sure what this could accomplish. You're not giving any links for people to help the cause, which would be useful.
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When I see stuff like this my first thought is always "it won't affect my generation" which I know is a shitty way of thinking since I know it will affect future generations. I guess the corporations and people burning through fossil fuels have the same mentality as me. I just can't change the jaded way my brain sees this "as not my problem." I really hope mankind find a solution that doesn't end in a dramatic dip in the population.

On another note, I always though sterilizing a large percentage of every generation would help in the long run.
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Chemists, biologists, physicists, engineers, and so on are working feverishly to try to increase the efficiency of our processes and to make those processes' components as renewable as possible. I'm behind increasing funding and manpower for these endeavors, they're vitally important for humankind in the long run. But that doesn't sound like it's what you're proposing. You sound like you're proposing rolling back the clock before industrialization, which would be insane. You'd be signing a death warrant for human scientific, economic, social, and political progress.

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I will, however, give you something: consumerism and the profit motive, as you have correctly pointed out, do not always have the best social outcome in mind (nor do they necessarily lead to it). As a result the forces of the market, of private actors, must be checked in the name of our collective social interests. This includes regulations which penalize the creation of negative externalities like poisoning bodies of water, soil, or air, and further includes standards concerning which chemicals are used in sanitation, food production, and so on.
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Chemists, biologists, physicists, engineers, and so on are working feverishly to try to increase the efficiency of our processes and to make those processes' components as renewable as possible. I'm behind increasing funding and manpower for these endeavors, they're vitally important for humankind in the long run. But that doesn't sound like it's what you're proposing. You sound like you're proposing rolling back the clock before industrialization, which would be insane. You'd be signing a death warrant for human scientific, economic, social, and political progress.


No amount of human ingenuity can possibly overturn the laws of nature. Industrial civilization is over. The collapse of industrial civilization will happen within the next couple of decades. By 2030 and 2040, industrial civilization will collapse, and we will have to live in a de-industrialized setting whether you like it or not.

None of the alternative energies have any promise of replacing our current infrastructure. This means total collapse once our current infrastructure is gone.

You don't need to go down with the collapse of industrial civilization. You can survive if you locally produce your own food without the use of petrochemicals. Local food production is perhaps key to the survival of the collapse of industrial civilization. Most people will have to return to farming and producing food after the collapse of industrial civilization. And we will go back to agrarian society in the future.
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BlueOni wrote:

Chemists, biologists, physicists, engineers, and so on are working feverishly to try to increase the efficiency of our processes and to make those processes' components as renewable as possible. I'm behind increasing funding and manpower for these endeavors, they're vitally important for humankind in the long run. But that doesn't sound like it's what you're proposing. You sound like you're proposing rolling back the clock before industrialization, which would be insane. You'd be signing a death warrant for human scientific, economic, social, and political progress.


No amount of human ingenuity can possibly overturn the laws of nature. Industrial civilization is over. The collapse of industrial civilization will happen within the next couple of decades. By 2030 and 2040, industrial civilization will collapse, and we will have to live in a de-industrialized setting whether you like it or not.

None of the alternative energies have any promise of replacing our current infrastructure. This means total collapse once our current infrastructure is gone.

You don't need to go down with the collapse of industrial civilization. You can survive if you locally produce your own food without the use of petrochemicals. Local food production is perhaps key to the survival of the collapse of industrial civilization. Most people will have to return to farming and producing food after the collapse of industrial civilization. And we will go back to agrarian society in the future.


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Well, we actually do need wider access to contraception. Just not for the sake of reducing population growth rates.
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No amount of human ingenuity can possibly overturn the laws of nature. Industrial civilization is over. The collapse of industrial civilization will happen within the next couple of decades. By 2030 and 2040, industrial civilization will collapse, and we will have to live in a de-industrialized setting whether you like it or not.

None of the alternative energies have any promise of replacing our current infrastructure. This means total collapse once our current infrastructure is gone.

You don't need to go down with the collapse of industrial civilization. You can survive if you locally produce your own food without the use of petrochemicals. Local food production is perhaps key to the survival of the collapse of industrial civilization. Most people will have to return to farming and producing food after the collapse of industrial civilization. And we will go back to agrarian society in the future.


You're kidding. This isn't serious. It can't be.
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I can't believe you folks are dumb enough to propose that infinite consumption and infinite population growth is possible on a finite planet. We are already near peak population. And no we can't keep doubling population. The overpopulation is a myth website is full of shit and misinformation. They don't know anything. They are full of shit.

There is plenty of space on this planet. Yes, but there certainly isn't enough resources for any more doublings of the human population. Human population cannot double again. And even if it did double, we would have a die off. That's the case with all populations. No population infinitely grows forever. There is no case where any population (be it bacteria in a petri dish or caribou on an Arctic island) encounters favorable circumstances and grows in a vertical line without an immediate crash downwards. It is a law. It is a law as fundamental as gravity. It is a law as fundamental as thermodynamics.

Our population has been growing in a vertical line for the past 100 years. We shot up from 1.6 billion to 7.2 billion largely because of oil. And this isn't sustainable. This vertical growth in population can't go on forever. And if it does continue, there will be an inevitable collapse in the population because that's what happens to all species that go into overshoot in population. Let me repeat this...no amount of human ingenuity and technology can possibly overturn the laws of nature. Populations in overshoot always crash and die off afterwards.

Keep on doubling the population and see where that brings you. Hint. It will destroy the human race. Doomsayers were right the whole time. Just because the collapse of industrial civilization hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it will never happen. The signs of collapse are all around you.

Doubling the population, if that is even possible, will cause the population to go into a die off mode because the population overshot its carrying capacity. We are already exceeding our carrying capacity, and if we continue to increase population, the consequences will be dire. As in a huge die off will occur because that's just the law of nature that no amount of human technology and ingenuity can overcome.
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As long as extreme conservatives are the majority in terms of running the world... the world will be doomed.


Even if we stopped producing carbon emissions completely tomorrow... it would take thousands of years for the pollution to fully be eliminated.

Even if we tried our best to conserve endangered species of the world, poachers would slaughter them for blood money.

The human race is the most destructive organic force in the universe. Human ignorance and ability to destroy things without thinking of the repercussions is power thing.

Deforestation and unregulated over industrialization will kill us. The planet will no longer be able to sustain life and everything will be wiped away from existence due to starvation and finite resources.

The planet then will begin the cycle of life again.

Isn't it funny that we have done more damage to the planet in the past few centuries than nature itself has done in billions of years.
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