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I'm going to be optimistic here for a bit cause it seems like fun. So the root of the problem is that our planet is limited right? To me the most clear and simple solution is to just make our supply of planets unlimited. The number of planets in the universe is nearly infinite. If we could colonies and expand throughout the galaxy, then we wouldn't need to worry about running out of resources or space. Even if one planet did encounter problems, there would be dozens of others to takes its place while that one recovered. We all (as a species, not just one country) need to invest more in space exploration and technological innovation. And when you get right down to it, exploration and innovation pretty much describes all of human history. Honestly I'm not too worried that we will get there.

The situation isn't as dire as you make it seem. We are just a skip and a jump away from a self sustaining fusion reactor for example (look up high beta fusion reactor). Humanity can suck at times, but it can also be awesome. And if you are so worried about it, then become a scientist and make something to fix the problem (we always need more scientists). If you don't believe that everyone else can pull it off, then you just need to do it yourself.
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P.S. I'm on your side. Humans are disgusting filthy animals. I'm glad i'll be dead by the time oxygen itself will become taxable. -___-;



Maybe, but you might not be dead by the time carbon dioxide becomes taxable, so you might have to watch your exhaling.
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GayAsianBoy wrote:
P.S. I'm on your side. Humans are disgusting filthy animals. I'm glad i'll be dead by the time oxygen itself will become taxable. -___-;





You guys are pretty amusing, though, and you haven't destroyed as many planets as me.
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Pharmaceutical companies love this thread
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While OP is right and what he says is true and we are really approaching something dire...


He says this is the most important message for humanity and he addresses it to us, the readers, personally, and it is like..."I have this really, really important message...I better spread the word...I know, I'll post it at Crunchyroll. The weeaboos must know of all this..." lol
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BigKingRobo wrote:

I'm going to be optimistic here for a bit cause it seems like fun. So the root of the problem is that our planet is limited right? To me the most clear and simple solution is to just make our supply of planets unlimited. The number of planets in the universe is nearly infinite. If we could colonies and expand throughout the galaxy, then we wouldn't need to worry about running out of resources or space. Even if one planet did encounter problems, there would be dozens of others to takes its place while that one recovered. We all (as a species, not just one country) need to invest more in space exploration and technological innovation. And when you get right down to it, exploration and innovation pretty much describes all of human history. Honestly I'm not too worried that we will get there.

The situation isn't as dire as you make it seem. We are just a skip and a jump away from a self sustaining fusion reactor for example (look up high beta fusion reactor). Humanity can suck at times, but it can also be awesome. And if you are so worried about it, then become a scientist and make something to fix the problem (we always need more scientists). If you don't believe that everyone else can pull it off, then you just need to do it yourself.


Ha, I've been waiting for a chance to spill this story.

http://www.paresspacewarpresearch.org/Projet_Space_Warp/Space_Warp.htm (love the traditional crazy-person layout of the site and the recollection of seeing a UFO in gradeschool with his friends)

This is mostly being dismissed as impossible, but I am one degree separated from the only man working on the warp drive/thunderstorm connection. He teaches physics and meteorology, and it's hard to say just how crazy he is. I have a housemate who grew up next door to him and a coworker who took classes from him. The guy is eccentric, but both of the people I know say he might be the guy who's onto it, he knows his math and he has incredible insights into meteorology. He has built himself a weather observation deck on his roof.

He has also built himself what he thinks is the beginnings of a warp drive in his garage.

Basically, he believes some nut-job tale from the 70s about a guy, Bruce Gernon, who flew into a thunderstorm (in the Bermuda Triangle) and wound up hundreds of miles farther than he should have been in the time it took him to fly there, and has the timing and harder-to-fake fuel logs to support his claim. I've looked, it hasn't been debunked. But the Triangle has, and we have to throw some caution to "After reading what the pilot had to say about what he saw, who would go through the trouble?" Well... David Pares. And Pares is testing it, combining physics and meteorology concepts to produce very interesting and unexpected results.

The point is, none of us really believe it, but hell, I'm rooting (without optimism) for the guy to get some big results because I'm a dropout, so I really don't know better, and the results he's had so far produced responses of "Well. You shouldn't be able to get that result, and you have, you're right. But I don't think it means warp drive."
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Aliens are the cause.
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Aliens are the cause.


They are also the result.

Feedback loop!
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So your basically saving if the human race doesn't change their ways, we are all screwed?
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So your basically saving if the human race doesn't change their ways, we are all screwed?


Infinite consumption and infinite growth in population is not possible on a finite planet. We are already at the limits to growth. The planet can't keep doubling population. Our population currently grows at a 1% rate per year, which might not sound like a lot. But 1% growth rate per year means the population doubles every 70 years. So in another 70 years, we will have approximately 14 to 15 billion people. In another 140 years, we will have 28 to 30 billion people etc. Within 1000 years, we will have over a trillion people. And I doubt anyone would dare say a trillion people is sustainable on our planet.

Let me show you a graph of human population.



Human population is flat throughout most of human history. Meaning there has been very little growth throughout most of history in terms of human population. It was only during the last one and two centuries our population starts to go on a vertical line in terms of growth. Meaning there has been unusually rapid growth in population during the past two centuries. Especially since 1900 when the population shot up from 1.6 billion to over 7.2 billion today.

Such rapid growth is unsustainable in the long term. We can't keep on growing population in a vertical line because within a few hundred years from now, if we keep on increasing population at 1% per year, we will have literally hundreds of billions if not trillions of people. I don't think anyone can argue that hundreds of billions of people is sustainable. It is certainly not. Even 7 billion people is likely unsustainable.

Yes the world has plenty of space for 7 billion people. But there isn't enough resources on this planet to support 7 billion or more people in the long term. We are running out of pretty much every essential natural resource quickly because there are too many people, using up too much stuff, too quickly and in an economy that only knows how to grow. We are at peak oil, peak coal, peak natural gas, peak iron, peak rare Earth metals, peak uranium, peak phosphorus, peak wood, peak water, peak fish. We are at peak everything. We are using nonrenewable resources (like oil and coal) at an alarming rate, and we will never get these nonrenewable resources back. And we are using renewable resources (like fish, water, and wood) at a faster rate than they replenish, so we are running out of those too.

Just watch this Youtube video which clearly illustrates how we are running out of everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMWzjrRiBg

The bottom line is we are running out of everything because there are too many people who are consuming too much stuff and consuming it way too quickly.

The planet's ecosystems are falling apart. Species are becoming extinct at an alarming rate. Yes, we are in the middle of a mass extinction comparable to the one that wiped out the dinosaurs. That's an indisputable fact. These species are becoming extinct because there are too many humans on this planet overcrowding them to extinction. We are using up all of the resources that would otherwise be dedicated to other species for our exclusive use. And these species don't get to use any of these resources, which we use, which causes them to become extinct.

Mankind is facing an extinction level event. Unless we take massive efforts to prevent population from further increasing, we are screwed. Sure, we can let nature take its course and naturally reduce our population through war, famine and plague, but that would be nasty.

Just imagine what the world would be like if we doubled our population again. The planet's biosphere is already collapsing all around us. Society is already on the verge of collapse. If we double our population, that would certainly bring us to our collapse. It would certainly bring us upon a massive die off of unimaginable proportions where billions of people will starve to death.

Mankind's biggest weakness is his inability to realize the power of exponential growth as Albert Einstein once said. Exponential growth in consumption and population is not sustainable. We can't keep on doubling consumption and human population on a finite planet.
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Seriously though, the most important message for humanity is, and always has been, "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."
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huh, i thought it was "eat before you are eaten"
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"Save every 15 minutes."
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Oh dear lord.
We are not in even the slightest amount of danger.
seriously, none at all.
And if we actually faced a serious problem about us being at the carrying capacity of the earth you can bet there'd be a lot of talk of "only two/one children/child per family" going around.
Plus America and other industrialized nations have had declining birth rates for a while now iirc.
I am not at all concerned.
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You know what I can't believe? That an agrarian primitivist is advocating for their cause on the internet of all places.
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