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You know what I can't believe? That an agrarian primitivist is advocating for their cause on the internet of all places.



Technology and progress are evil, I must use it and its fruits to tell people.
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So your basically saving if the human race doesn't change their ways, we are all screwed?


Infinite consumption and infinite growth in population is not possible on a finite planet. We are already at the limits to growth. The planet can't keep doubling population. Our population currently grows at a 1% rate per year, which might not sound like a lot. But 1% growth rate per year means the population doubles every 70 years. So in another 70 years, we will have approximately 14 to 15 billion people. In another 140 years, we will have 28 to 30 billion people etc. Within 1000 years, we will have over a trillion people. And I doubt anyone would dare say a trillion people is sustainable on our planet.

Let me show you a graph of human population.
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Yes the world has plenty of space for 7 billion people. But there isn't enough resources on this planet to support 7 billion or more people in the long term. We are running out of pretty much every essential natural resource quickly because there are too many people, using up too much stuff, too quickly and in an economy that only knows how to grow. We are at peak oil, peak coal, peak natural gas, peak iron, peak rare Earth metals, peak uranium, peak phosphorus, peak wood, peak water, peak fish. We are at peak everything. We are using nonrenewable resources (like oil and coal) at an alarming rate, and we will never get these nonrenewable resources back. And we are using renewable resources (like fish, water, and wood) at a faster rate than they replenish, so we are running out of those too.



Straight up.

Look, I'm busy figuring out my next move against the Keystone XL pipeline. I have painted small billboards for local farmers, I have attended a climate rally in D.C., I have helped build an alternative energy barn. Nothing I really think will stop much, but they were ways I could show support, and they were all good experiences that BOLD Nebraska provided for me. I don't go to a lot of their events, but the ones that sound right I will do. I was extremely unhappy about the DC trip when I found out it was a national rally (yeah, I didn't look much into it, my fault), but I had some really incredible and unique experiences.

It wasn't because I believed in alternative energy or disliked oil that I supported landowner rights. It was because I supported landowner rights that I looked in to either case, and I found that alternative energy, wind and solar, actually has a future, and it actually benefits us. I didn't find that until I found that the head of the State Department, Hillary Clinton, gave the go ahead without State Department approval, which was flat out illegal. That was interesting enough to me to look at what has happened, and I looked until I had a very local battle on my hands.

So what if we make a better world and start to die out from overpopulation anyway? What makes you assume the future will handle things as poorly as we do today? Medicine hasn't advanced so far that the old people in charge today will necessarily be alive 20 years from now.
Posted 1/13/15

ishe5555 wrote:
Maybe, but you might not be dead by the time carbon dioxide becomes taxable, so you might have to watch your exhaling.


I've already lived through the Carbon Tax.


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You guys are pretty amusing, though, and you haven't destroyed as many planets as me.


Are you the Silver Surfer?

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hey, you wanna know why that will never change? cause of money, and greed. Plus no one wants to die, well it will change with a massive war over something, resources? who knows. Its gonna change though one of these days.
I had a social studies teacher say if we farmed the planet perfectly it could support 20 billion people but that will also never happen. Something will cause a drop. That "law" of population dynamics will hold true one of these days.
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This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfq_A8nXMsQ
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How come you didn't say "desu"?

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Lmao wish I lived and died in nomadic or agrarian society, life would have been way simpler. I see no good end for our kind. I feel bad for you OP, expressing your opinion on here is going to fall on deaf ears. No one cares, and thats the problem. As long as the financial sector, MNC's and governments control anything it will be a long time before the sedated, ignorant collective of society will rise up to counter it.


I've proposed emphasizing research to improve the efficiency/reuse of resources in industrial processes, making products which are easier to recycle and reuse, legislation which limits negative externalities, and other such practical measures. What exactly is your plan, here, Mr. Agrarian? Force everyone in cities to return to the countryside to work fields and live a farmer's life? Abandon modern medicine in favor of holistic methods using herbs grown in gardens instead of manufactured drugs? Cambodia would like a word.
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Am I a bad person for not caring?
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true no population has ever doubled consistently for such a long period of time, but there is also no other species that has a rational mind. I'm not too concerned with all this mumbo jumbo. What I do now is that human ingenuity is amazing and has made the impossible possible, e.g. air travel, space travel, nuclear energy etc. I will not be amazed if we can somehow create enough resources through the use of technology.
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BlueOni wrote:


gnxgen1 wrote:

Lmao wish I lived and died in nomadic or agrarian society, life would have been way simpler. I see no good end for our kind. I feel bad for you OP, expressing your opinion on here is going to fall on deaf ears. No one cares, and thats the problem. As long as the financial sector, MNC's and governments control anything it will be a long time before the sedated, ignorant collective of society will rise up to counter it.


I've proposed emphasizing research to improve the efficiency/reuse of resources in industrial processes, making products which are easier to recycle and reuse, legislation which limits negative externalities, and other such practical measures. What exactly is your plan, here, Mr. Agrarian? Force everyone in cities to return to the countryside to work fields and live a farmer's life? Abandon modern medicine in favor of holistic methods using herbs grown in gardens instead of manufactured drugs? Cambodia would like a word.

Ew, Cambodia. They have child prostitutes there.



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true no population has ever doubled consistently for such a long period of time, but there is also no other species that has a rational mind. I'm not too concerned with all this mumbo jumbo. What I do now is that human ingenuity is amazing and has made the impossible possible, e.g. air travel, space travel, nuclear energy etc. I will not be amazed if we can somehow create enough resources through the use of technology.

Despite Mankind having such a dark history, we sure are capable of such miraculous work, no?
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Arbitrator wrote:

true no population has ever doubled consistently for such a long period of time, but there is also no other species that has a rational mind. I'm not too concerned with all this mumbo jumbo. What I do now is that human ingenuity is amazing and has made the impossible possible, e.g. air travel, space travel, nuclear energy etc. I will not be amazed if we can somehow create enough resources through the use of technology.

Despite Mankind having such a dark history, we sure are capable of such miraculous work, no?



sure are. if you cant agree with that then idk what to say. im not doubting its dark past by any means.
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Posted 1/13/15
It's interesting because I just finished Toward the Terra, haha.

People may find the Tragedy of the Commons interesting as well.
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lol dude the species you are talking about are mostly bacteria. (which are important sometimes) but alot of them do the same thing. and you'll be shocked how many species nature kills itself. nature has CERTAINLY killed more species over the span of history than us. its what happens on our planet, things die and they die ALOT! The ONLY thing we're really endangering is OURSELVES but its not because there is not enough food or resources because we can always farm and use the land efficiently, its because there is just not enough money to go around. our economies would collapse under the sheer amounts of bills that would have to be printed to feed everyone.
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The overpopulation myth? Alarmist alert
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Vatta wrote:

When I see stuff like this my first thought is always "it won't affect my generation" which I know is a shitty way of thinking since I know it will affect future generations. I guess the corporations and people burning through fossil fuels have the same mentality as me. I just can't change the jaded way my brain sees this "as not my problem." I really hope mankind find a solution that doesn't end in a dramatic dip in the population.

On another note, I always though sterilizing a large percentage of every generation would help in the long run.


Haha what if we reincarnate every few generations. That would def put a spin on things.
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