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For or Against: Teenager to marry her dad
Posted 1/17/15

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Should it be illegal? I'm leaning towards maybe.

As for the rate of deformities in same bloodlines, the risk is believed to be 25%. Even so, I believe existence with deformities is much better than no existence at all, but that's mostly my own beliefs.

One of the reasons why incest may be banned is that most cases are sexual abuse cases. Not saying we should ban incest, mind you, but thought it was a significant tidbit I found in my research.


This is another argument that doesn't make sense to me.

Even in normal relationships... there are still domestic abuses and spousal abuses... How many women and men go through spousal abuses each year? I don't really care about the statistics. Most of them go unreported. Many children are still abused even in a non-sexual relationship. :-/

So I don't understand that point.
Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/17/15

GayAsianBoy wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Should it be illegal? I'm leaning towards maybe.

As for the rate of deformities in same bloodlines, the risk is believed to be 25%. Even so, I believe existence with deformities is much better than no existence at all, but that's mostly my own beliefs.

One of the reasons why incest may be banned is that most cases are sexual abuse cases. Not saying we should ban incest, mind you, but thought it was a significant tidbit I found in my research.


This is another argument that doesn't make sense to me.

Even in normal relationships... there are still domestic abuses and spousal abuses... How many women and men go through spousal abuses each year? I don't really care about the statistics. Most of them go unreported. Many children are still abused even in a non-sexual relationship. :-/

So I don't understand that point.


It seemed of some significance, so I included it. It may be an attempt to further punish sexual abusers.After all, going after a little girl is bad, but going after your daughter is much worst.


*Waits for someone with better debating skills like BlueOni or someone to say something smart or debate.
Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/17/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

The reasoning is that it is perhaps better not to exist at all than to exist with a genetic disease.


Because this society builds itself around people that are normal, people that are sheep and people that follow what they're told, that's why people think it's a burden to have people who aren't normal to exist.

What I like about the medical communities, is that they aren't prejudiced like society. They'll treat anyone as long as it's treatable. That's the society I want to live in, to be honest. Not the primitive one where the fittest sheep survives.

(I don't want to get into hospital politics though, that's ANOTHER whole other story, people become annoying when money is involved)



Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/17/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

The reasoning is that it is perhaps better not to exist at all than to exist with a genetic disease.


Because this society builds itself around people that are normal, people that are sheep and people that follow what they're told, that's why people think it's a burden to have people who aren't normal to exist.

What I like about the medical communities, is that they aren't prejudiced like society. They'll treat anyone as long as it's treatable. That's the society I want to live in, to be honest. Not the primitive one where the fittest sheep survives.

(I don't want to get into hospital politics though, that's ANOTHER whole other story, people become annoying when money is involved)




I feel as you don't understand the reasoning. Some of the most debilitating conditions are genetic. I would never wish it on another person, some of them. I do agree in some cases it might be better to not exist than to live like that.

People don't do it out of prejudice, they do it because they believe it is much too debilitating to live like that. I feel this way towards severe mental retardation.

Is it a twisted way of looking at things? I can agree on that, but I don't think people are that bad.
Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/17/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:
I feel as you don't understand the reasoning. Some of the most debilitating conditions are genetic. I would never wish it on another person, some of them. I do agree in some cases it might be better to not exist than to live like that.

People don't do it out of prejudice, they do it because they believe it is much too debilitating to live like that. I feel this way towards severe mental retardation.

Is it a twisted way of looking at things? I can agree on that, but I don't think people are that bad.


I don't think it's twisted or even controversial. People should express their honest opinions without beating around the bush or worrying about political correctness.

I'm not here to change your or anyone's opinions; I just like to challenge people's opinions and how they see things/the world.

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Like what I said before, you see things through a scope in which... being fit/normal is more suitable for living because that's how we as a society build ourselves around; the norm.

Just like in the past, blind or deaf people would get looked down upon and labelled as useless, but now look where we're at? We have sign languages and braille etc.

On the same logic that you proposed, then what is the point of keeping starving children in Africa alive? Why not just kill all of them... since they are suffering anyway...


My point is that... unless you step outside the box and try to accommodate non-normal people into the world... then... well I don't know what i'm trying to say. I'm lost. But I hope you get my main points.
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Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/21/15
I'm scratching my head as I read through this topic. People against the marriage say that the children resulting from that union have a high probability of having genetic defects. Therefore, it should not be condoned. People for the marriage say that it does not concern them how other people act in their private lives. But, aren't there moral boundaries which should not be crossed?

My main argument against this incestuous union is that there exists a norm for father-daughter relationships which does not include sex. You might say, "Well, so what? It's only one couple in the entire United States." But, how would you feel if this became ordinary? That it would be common to have female friends and relatives marry their fathers? My belief is that most of us would prefer to move to another country rather than live among so many people who are morally insane!

Of course, I must admit that it is difficult to argue against an incestuous union if a person does not believe in moral norms. However, it would also be hard to argue against murder with a person who did not believe in moral norms. "But, one who commits murder harms another person; but, I do not see how a father marrying a daughter brings actual harm to the persons involved," you might say. But, how does including lust in the relationship between a father and a daughter not distort a person's moral compass? As I said, if this practice became widespread, we should feel horrified. There is something in our hearts which tells us how wrong it is. Though it is difficult to explain--probably because the prohibition on parents marrying their children is on the level of an axiom. If we denied axioms in mathematics, we should never be able to solve any problems. If we start denying axioms in the realm of sexual morality, no kind of sexual relationship will be taboo.
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Posted 1/17/15

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I'm scratching my head as I read through this topic. People against the marriage say that the children resulting from that union have a high probability of having genetic defects. Therefore, it should not be condoned. People for the marriage say that it does not concern them how other people act in their private lives. But, aren't there moral boundaries which should not be crossed?

My main argument against this incestuous union is that there exists a norm for father-daughter relationships which does not include sex. You might say, "Well, so what? It's only one couple in the entire United States." But, how would you feel if this became ordinary? That it would be common to have female friends and relatives marry their fathers? My belief is that most of us would prefer to move to another country rather than live among so many people who are morally insane!

Of course, I must admit that it is difficult to argue against an incestuous union if a person does not believe in moral norms. However, it would also be hard to argue against murder with a person who did not believe in moral norms. "But, one who commits murder harms another person; but, I do not see how a father marrying a daughter brings actual harm to the persons involved," you might say. But, how does including lust in the relationship between a father and a daughter not distort a person's moral compass? As I said, if this practice became widespread, we should feel horrified. There is something in our hearts which tells us how wrong it is. Though it is difficult to explain--probably because the prohibition on parents marrying their children is on the level of an axiom. If we denied axioms in mathematics, we should never be able to solve any problems. If we start denying axioms in the realm of sexual morality, no kind of sexual relationship will be taboo.


I pretty much agree with all of this.
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Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/17/15
The problem for me lies not even in the taboo of incest itself, but the problems that could be inherited by their children, should they have children. I know they didn't meet for a while, I know it doesn't affect me, but at the same time, I don't want their children to be deformed or have some kind of retardation because of their parents' relations as father and daughter?

So from a moral standpoint it doesn't affect me and I don't really care, but from the perspective that they might presumably have kids in the future, I am a bit worried about that.

The problem is, from the interview, she seems to be dead set on it, and due to the long separation it's probably a consensual relationship. It's not upstanding to many people's morals and "taboo" per se but really as long as it doesn't affect me directly? I'm not terribly against it. They're going to do it anyway, she's going to marry him, or probably has, so what can I do to stop this union? Pretty much nothing.
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Posted 1/17/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Let's analyze this situation. What's the harm in letting them marry each other? If it's not harmful to society, it shouldn't be banned in my opinion. I thought this over, and the rate of deformities is much higher than normal. Is this okay? Are we willing to let the increased chance of more children in the world born defectively?

After all, you're not allowed to drink during pregnancy, or it is looked down upon, and how is this any different?


Children are not an inevitable consequence of marriage.
Posted 1/17/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Let's analyze this situation. What's the harm in letting them marry each other? If it's not harmful to society, it shouldn't be banned in my opinion. I thought this over, and the rate of deformities is much higher than normal. Is this okay? Are we willing to let the increased chance of more children in the world born defectively?

After all, you're not allowed to drink during pregnancy, or it is looked down upon, and how is this any different?


Children are not an inevitable consequence of marriage.

I know that, but they're inexplicably tied together, are they not? Other than that, it's a matter of taste.
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Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/21/15
This is stupid, ignoring the fact that this situation is unlikely to have occurred by chance. Someone with a sick fetish probably devised it. It is also kind of absurd to think that a 17 year old can maturely handle this situation. I'm not saying that it's not possible just another unlikely factor in an already suspiciously coincidental situation. I doubt this is any type of "love" but some weird psychological effect of finding out their dad is the one they've been dating. It's also irresponsible. I grew up living in a home that treated mentally impaired foster kids and I have to say that life sucks. Not because of any treatment others force them to endure but just because those types of disabilities can make life so unbearable, I really don't know how they do it. Unless one of them has an operation there is no 100% way their irresponsibility doesn't start a very painful and usually horrible life for someone. This is just sick.
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Posted 1/17/15
This might be one of those things where if I say I'm against it, that means I'm going to mobilize to stop them from getting married....which is bullsh!t, because even though I have opinions, that doesn't mean I can stop somebody from doing something.

I don't know, but maybe this is an excuse to use this response.
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Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/21/15
WHAT STATE IS ADULT INCEST LEGAL IN?
anyway, thats ridiculous.. They need help. If you think you can justify this somehow, then you've got a really skewed outlook on life


Edit: Where i live you can get life in prison for this..
Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/21/15
and I am like what the fuck is going on with these people?

why hello there BIG BOSS



INCEST IS FUCKING NASTY LIKE WHO THE FUCK WANT TO GET LAID WITH THEIR SIBLINGS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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