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For or Against: Teenager to marry her dad
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Espadafive302 wrote:

INCEST IS FUCKING NASTY LIKE WHO THE FUCK WANT TO GET LAID WITH THEIR SIBLINGS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!



In this case, it's her father. Which is more repugnant than the sibling on sibling incest.
Posted 1/17/15 , edited 1/21/15
will fuck this shit lol xD I don't know why does anime have this shit. And yes the avatar is me
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Wgreen684 wrote:

WHAT STATE IS ADULT INCEST LEGAL IN?
anyway, thats ridiculous.. They need help. If you think you can justify this somehow, then you've got a really skewed outlook on life


Edit: Where i live you can get life in prison for this..


In the USA, apparently New Jersey.........
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They should do what they want. They're two consenting adults who know what they're doing.

Instead of worrying about a fully-functioning able-bodied and completely aware woman who decided to engage in a relationship with a male man, another fully-functioning able-bodied legal adult, we should be focusing on other problems at hand, like let's say rape? Y'know what I mean.
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Best way to sum this up. Ewwww!
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In seriousness, though....

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I voted for. Because I believe love should not depend on society's standards and expectations. You can't control who you fall in love with.

I'm sorry, GAB, but I can't bring myself to agree with that. I can't stop them from doing what they're doing, but at the same time I can't agree with the concept of a sexual father-daughter relationship.....unless they're not blood-related; if they weren't blood-related, then there's a loop-hole, because sometimes non-blood siblings (for example) do develop an attachment towards each other, and since it's not blood-related, it's not necessarily as "disgusting". Though I'm still wrestling with the concept of non-blood parent-child relations of that nature.

You don't mind if I call you GAB, do you? It's just an abbreviation of your name.
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Gross1985 wrote:

In seriousness, though....

I'm sorry, GAB, but I can't bring myself to agree with that. I can't stop them from doing what they're doing, but at the same time I can't agree with the concept of a sexual father-daughter relationship.....unless they're not blood-related; if they weren't blood-related, then there's a loop-hole, because sometimes non-blood siblings (for example) do develop an attachment towards each other, and since it's not blood-related, it's not necessarily as "disgusting". Though I'm still wrestling with the concept of non-blood parent-child relations of that nature.

You don't mind if I call you GAB, do you? It's just an abbreviation of your name.


I don't mind
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Based on what was said in that article, there are some seriously deep psychological and emotional issues that need to be addressed before any wedding takes place.

Interestingly, it should be noted that there are several anime series where either a stepfather marries his stepdaughter or a father marries his adopted daughter! After seeing that, I always thought to myself, "that just ain't right!"
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Considering the day and age we live in, it's probably best to be either neutral or to just not get involved in the issue. I will admit that when I said that I don't like the idea of a woman marrying her (biological) father, I risked making myself look like a bigot. "Bigot" is a word people have fun throwing at others who disagree with moral absolutes, especially if they deal with the topic of sex (which some cover up with the word "love").

Being branded as "bigoted" for demonizing homosexuals is understandable. But you can also be "bigoted" for disliking pedophiles. I think the reason for using the word "bigot" or "bigoted" is because it's taking a stance against something that someone can't help. This would be mostly true regarding homosexuality, because evidently there are people who are indeed born having a fancy towards the same sex, therefore it's something they can't help, so it's cruel to damn them. But pedophilia is kind of a whole different issue; we don't know if "pedophile" is a legitimate sexual orientation, especially since (most) kids grow up not dabbling on such concepts, not to mention also the wonder of how children can be attracted to children, akin to how pedophiles can be attracted to children. But if a person is attracted to children in that way, he/she should know to repress whatever urges are present, despite arguments that state otherwise.

Let we forget, of course, that this topic is about a father-daughter relationship. I already stated my opinion, that it would be "less disgusting" if they weren't blood-related, but if they are blood-related.....I don't know. It just doesn't sound right. But I'm not denying that there are other factors involved in circumstances like sexual relationships with family members, particularly emotional attachments and what-not. To me it's not so much about social standards but rather just my own convictions.
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What kind of joke is this?
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Of course, I must admit that it is difficult to argue against an incestuous union if a person does not believe in moral norms. However, it would also be hard to argue against murder with a person who did not believe in moral norms. "But, one who commits murder harms another person; but, I do not see how a father marrying a daughter brings actual harm to the persons involved," you might say. But, how does including lust in the relationship between a father and a daughter not distort a person's moral compass? As I said, if this practice became widespread, we should feel horrified. There is something in our hearts which tells us how wrong it is. Though it is difficult to explain--probably because the prohibition on parents marrying their children is on the level of an axiom. If we denied axioms in mathematics, we should never be able to solve any problems. If we start denying axioms in the realm of sexual morality, no kind of sexual relationship will be taboo.


Well, is it immoral? That's subjective. It's all a matter of taste. No matter how you spin it, it's open to interpretation. I mean, what could happen by letting them wed and have sex? Don't give me that slippery slope argument.

Someone, please provide a reason these two should not wed other than "it is disgusting". GayAsianBoy and I had a long argument over the birth defects, and I kinda reach the point that I can't reasonably deny this union without contradicting my stance on several issues.
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Gross1985 wrote:


Considering the day and age we live in, it's probably best to be either neutral or to just not get involved in the issue. I will admit that when I said that I don't like the idea of a woman marrying her (biological) father, I risked making myself look like a bigot. "Bigot" is a word people have fun throwing at others who disagree with moral absolutes, especially if they deal with the topic of sex (which some cover up with the word "love").

Being branded as "bigoted" for demonizing homosexuals is understandable. But you can also be "bigoted" for disliking pedophiles. I think the reason for using the word "bigot" or "bigoted" is because it's taking a stance against something that someone can't help. This would be mostly true regarding homosexuality, because evidently there are people who are indeed born having a fancy towards the same sex, therefore it's something they can't help, so it's cruel to damn them. But pedophilia is kind of a whole different issue; we don't know if "pedophile" is a legitimate sexual orientation, especially since (most) kids grow up not dabbling on such concepts, not to mention also the wonder of how children can be attracted to children, akin to how pedophiles can be attracted to children. But if a person is attracted to children in that way, he/she should know to repress whatever urges are present, despite arguments that state otherwise.

Let we forget, of course, that this topic is about a father-daughter relationship. I already stated my opinion, that it would be "less disgusting" if they weren't blood-related, but if they are blood-related.....I don't know. It just doesn't sound right. But I'm not denying that there are other factors involved in circumstances like sexual relationships with family members, particularly emotional attachments and what-not. To me it's not so much about social standards but rather just my own convictions.


decided for neutral because i don't think i can support the idea and don't know whether i should oppose it.
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We can never fully agree on this matter. Opinions are strange right now.
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Gross1985 wrote:


Considering the day and age we live in, it's probably best to be either neutral or to just not get involved in the issue. I will admit that when I said that I don't like the idea of a woman marrying her (biological) father, I risked making myself look like a bigot. "Bigot" is a word people have fun throwing at others who disagree with moral absolutes, especially if they deal with the topic of sex (which some cover up with the word "love").

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To me it's not so much about social standards but rather just my own convictions.


Only because after reading the interview, that's the message she (the teenager) sent across to me. It seems she's aware of her own decision, she wasn't manipulated into anything. Being related by blood doesn't mean that much to me...

The fact she didn't grow up with her dad could also contribute to the unconventional attraction... children are less likely to be attracted to their families if they lived and grew up together...

From my point of view, I don't see it as "psychological problems" or "attachment problems"... it was more like... 2 strangers meet, and they fall in love, it didn't really matter that they were blood related. :-/ Maybe my thinking is too simplistic...
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Only because after reading the interview, that's the message she (the teenager) sent across to me. It seems she's aware of her own decision, she wasn't manipulated into anything. Being related by blood doesn't mean that much to me...

The fact she didn't grow up with her dad could also contribute to the unconventional attraction... children are less likely to be attracted to their families if they lived and grew up together...

From my point of view, I don't see it as "psychological problems" or "attachment problems"... it was more like... 2 strangers meet, and they fall in love, it didn't really matter that they were blood related. :-/ Maybe my thinking is too simplistic...

It seems to be a phenomenon of sorts, though this is the second time I've heard of a case like this. The first time I heard about this was from an episode of The Steve Wilkos Show, where some woman met her estranged biological father and they fell in love and were having sex. Hell I recall them making out on stage and, thankfully, Steve asked them to stop. I think the story spanned three episodes and it was discovered that the father was actually cheating on her, and that was the end of the relationship.

Admittedly, these are things I don't commit much research into, though I hear about them sometimes. Plus, in an attempt to be fair, being as I watch anime, I notice that plenty of anime touches upon incestuous things...or, at least, lots of us would view them as incestuous. At the very least, I'm not fanatical about my convictions, because I maintain a tolerant, open-mind about these things....though, "open-mind" may sound awkward since I don't think too positively about sexual relations with blood-family.

To tell you the truth, my first exposure to incest in a story was from Metal Gear Solid®2: Sons of Liberty™. This was back in 2001, and I was 16. Though, in MGS2, this "incest" involved step-family. If you played MGS2, you may know how that went down, but if not, I'll say it (albeit quickly).....Otacon had a little step-sister, Emma, and when they were little they used to play house, and they grew connected to each other since they both were always alone, but apparently Emma's mother, Otacon's step-mother, had an affair with him, and eventually this (presumably) led Otacon's father to take his own life and Emma almost drowned in a pool, expecting her brother to come save her, but he couldn't because he was with her mother. At the bitter end, Emma wanted Otacon to see her not as a sister, but as a woman, implying that Emma had feelings for him, though Otacon said he could never do that. Unfortunately, Emma succumbed to her wounds. For the rest of the Solid Snake story arc, it would appear (to me) as though Otacon was mostly impacted by the death of his step-sister, compared to the deaths of Sniper Wolf & Dr. Naomi Hunter.
Anyway, back to MGS2, I remember this part of the storyline received a lot of backlash. In fact, MGS2 felt like a disappointment for many fans, not just because we were stuck with playing as a girly-boy instead of a BAMF, but also because MGS2 touched upon a lot of sexual taboo topics....not just the story with Otacon's family, but also the reality that Vamp was a bisexual. In my case, this was a Metal Gear game, so I was willing to overlook that stuff. It may have come off as being "creepy" and "weird", but I got over it. If anything it was totally unexpected. But online in various forums, people were screaming and ranting about it.

Sorry for the long story; I just felt like explaining a little bit of history regarding my overall stance on incest. The Metal Gear Solid® series has been a significant factor in my life.

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You know something's very serious when MundaneMatt talks about it (clickey).
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