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We don't have general gun ownership written into our constitution in the UK, come to think of it we haven't got a proper written constitution at all. It is rare for the general public to own guns here, even regular police don't carry guns. It was the same in the Caribbean therefore I've never had a lifestyle involving guns so I can't see the need for it for the average person. Those that do have guns had to go through checks and be granted a licence for them.
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Sounds like most of you live rather dubious lives considering that you feel the need to own a gun to protect yourself from criminals coming after you with guns.

I wonder if we would take all the deaths of random school shootings or just people snapping and killing someone with a gun really would be outweigh by deaths and crimes prevented by owning a gun.

Criminals will commit crime if you all are armed they will be forced to escalate their behavior as result.

The only reason every petty criminal owns a gun is cause its easy to obtain Americas streets are flooded with it so outlawing guns at this point would really lead to a bunch of criminals out arming the victims.
However that problem is only there because of the right to bear arms in the first place.

Sure Criminals will find ways to obtain guns but the ones you are likely to ever get involved with as a regular civilian are thiefs and maybe robbers (and robbers really only if you do not pay attention) and they normally do not use guns but in a country where they have to assume that the victim has a gun they of course have to escalate and own a gun as well.

So in the end i guess it came to the point where a bad system corrupted a whole nation to the point of no return.
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symphonicecho wrote:

It is true that countries that do not permit ordinary civilians to own firearms have much lower crime rates.


False. In fact in countries where civilians don't have guns the only crime stat that falls at all is firearm homocides.

Most countries that make firearms illegal have much much higher violent crime rates than the US. There are some obvious exceptions to that rule, Japan for one has one of the smallest crime rates of any modernized country, but that's probably more of a cultural thing than a gun or no gun thing. But in England, Germany, or many other European countries you're much more likely to get mugged, attacked, burglarized, etc. than in the US.
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Provided one is competent with the handling, maintenance, use, and storage of firearms in the class they're wanting, understands the legal rights and obligations involved in their use for self-defense, they provide for the safe storage of their firearms, they lack any relevant mental disorders, and they have a history which is clean of any violent crime or participation in illegal firearms trade I don't object if people own firearms. That's a reasonable amount of assurance that firearms will more often than not land in responsible, competent, law-abiding hands.
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As you can see from all this science, there is a direct correlation between stupid and gun love.

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symphonicecho wrote:

It is true that countries that do not permit ordinary civilians to own firearms have much lower crime rates.


False. In fact in countries where civilians don't have guns the only crime stat that falls at all is firearm homocides.

Most countries that make firearms illegal have much much higher violent crime rates than the US. There are some obvious exceptions to that rule, Japan for one has one of the smallest crime rates of any modernized country, but that's probably more of a cultural thing than a gun or no gun thing. But in England, Germany, or many other European countries you're much more likely to get mugged, attacked, burglarized, etc. than in the US.


Where do you get that? Show me some sources to back this up. You also left out Austrailia in your little declaration.
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4Corvus wrote:

As you can see from all this science, there is a direct correlation between stupid and gun love.



Its the Dunning-Kruger effect. Clearly one cannot explain stupid to a stupid person. Rednecks are behind this.
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Hmmmm...... I believe that people should be allowed to own guns, but only after they take gun ownership classes, take a responsibility test, and go through rigorous psychological evaluation (and maybe evaluate anybody who lives with them too). Gun ownership classes will help educate people how to properly handle guns. A responsibility test will help ensure the potential gun owner will be responsible and a have enough common-sense required to own a gun. In other words, someone who thinks it's okay to leave their gun in their purse while their shopping and within reach of their two year old child who might accidently shoot them would automatically fail the test and not be allowed to own a gun (thus preventing the tragic scenario). The psychological evaluations would help prevent potential sociopaths from obtaining guns (and evaluating a potential owner's family members too would be further prevention. After all, the Newton shooter got the guns from his mother. If their was a nationwide mandate that everyone who owns or wants to own a gun has to not only have a psychological evaluation but also have their family members/anyone who lives with them evaluated too, then Newton might've been prevented.) Of course, these classes/tests may not prevent all crime but it may help lower crime rate as well as lower the amount of tragic gun related accidents.
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I live in a country where guns are outlawed, and we don't have problems like in the USA...



Although Australian murder rates are down; from what information I can find, all other violent crime in Australia is up. But then again, this is only data I can collect here. Moreover to answer the OP, I believe everyone should have the ability to own guns if they wish, however if they choose to then they need to be responsible enough on how and when to use firearms. I believe a problem in [The United States of...] America is a lack of self-responsibility.
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Doesn't affect me as long as I don't recklessly go through the sketch part of my town late night, or even pass there for any apparent reason.
But honestly, I don't really see any purpose [b(]for me that is) in owning one.

Self-defense against any house robberies? Well, I live in the middle of nowhere according to most of my friends so it I'm pretty safe for that part. And that's the only reason I can think of if I were to own a gun, and since I'm not one that likes to get involved in any fights, it would seem pointless.
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flipmane wrote:

Guy from the US (Washington) here,

I just bought #15, and I'm just starting my collection.

Firearms are dangerous, but the people who misuse them are at fault. If you stab someone or run them over, it's the person's fault, but people aren't generally scared of knives or cars, so they aren't seen in the same light as when somebody gets shot. Firearms are easily changed, unfortunately, whereas you can't gut a car or limit household knife length on a whim.


Oh, well if the only thing we have to worry about is people misusing guns, then I guess it's okay to let people have them. Naturally, anyone who thinks otherwise is thinking only about how scary guns are, and not about how useful they are in our everyday lives. Not like cars and knives, which are pretty much only useful for killing people.
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Yes. Also I'm missing one rifle and two handguns from this picture.

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Yes. Also I'm missing one rifle and two handguns from this picture.

You live in Florida? Be safe.
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I don't really have a passion for firearms at all. I've just observed that stringent regulatory schema while still leaving opportunities for private ownership can be functional. That's how things are in Finland.
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