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Sorry if it's long, but I wanted to do my best to establish my position currently on this show. Also, I'm writing this pretty much right after finishing Blue Spring Ride, since it is a good portion of the reason I'm bringing this up.

Anyway, I started watching Blue Spring Ride because, more than normal, I was hearing great things about it. And after watching it, I can say that I completely agree with all the positivity. Mostly. This isn't the place for reviews, so to put it simply, everything, well, just got to me. The characters were established so well, not just from them being given, in my opinion, the most relatable high school traits I've seen, while getting rid of 90% of the drama that comes in real life high school romance. The soundtrack suited the shows atmosphere and brought the mood and emotions to life. And there was just some beautiful scenes that I actually held my breath over only to rewatch it immediately (looking at you table scene). But then, the ending came. Now, some major conflicts had been resolved, very well too, in my eyes. But as far as the relationship goes, I'm sitting at the end thinking with the all too familiar feeling of, "Wait, really? That's where you end it?"

I'm not saying the relationship made no progress, but this ending like so many others leaves me no closure. I'm not satisfied at all, because the end just doesn't live up to the development that preceded it. I now know that there's a manga that is still continuing too, so I guess I'm left with the wait for season 2 or go read the manga mind set. The problem with the former, is that there's never a guarantee of one, and the problem with the latter is I feel that the anime just brings a scene to fruition much better than a manga can (i yet again reference that table scene).

So it's at this point that I then decided to reconsider Toradora. After seeing the Glass Reflection review earlier today, and just hearing what my friends have said about it over the years (one of them having watched it through 5 times already), I feel as if this show can bring me some part of the closure in a romance anime I've been looking for. As you can guess from the title, though, by reconsider, It means I've already tried watching it. I barely got through episode 1 because of how much I despised Taiga, so much so that I couldn't even give the series the multiple episode chance that I usually give. It's not because I hate tsunderes, but because I did not think that any progress in the show could replace her awful attitude in the beginning. Based off the general pacing of most school life shows, I was afraid of being stuck with 25 episodes of the worst attitude I've ever seen with an ending that somewhat resembles, "OK, maybe I have feelings for him, even though he's baka" or you know, that whole thing.

The biggest thing about a tsundere is if they can counter act their 'tsun' side with enough of the 'dere' part, I can easily love them. The best example is Chitoge from Nisekoi. Even though I'm #teamnochance (aka team tsugumi), I can't help but root for the others at times, Chitoge included. She'll be acting her usual tsundere crap and I'm just like, oh my god i hate you, grow up. And then she blushes and at the speed of a bullet I'm suddenly just omg how could you not root for her *smile* *smile* *tear* *cheer* (Yes, there's more than just blushing, but to avoid any possible spoilers it's the easiest way to put it).

So in conclusion, (I'm truly grateful if you read it all), what I want to know is this: 1) If I retry Toradora, will Taiga's character develop into a true soft side that can make you forgive her rather mean moments in the beginning? and 2) will Toradora's ending give me enough satisfaction and closure that I can say I can walk away from this feeling like I watched a relationship truly come to fruition (none of that, I'm gonna try harder next semester stuff)? For reference, the top 3 romance anime that have given me the most closure are 1st - Valkyria Chronicles; 2nd - Golden Time (I do know that TD and GT share the same writer); and 3rd) Clannad After Story.
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I'm sort of in the same boat. Tried out Toradora but couldn't stand the midget girl. I can pretty much guess where the show is going to go, and I sort of dislike everyone besides the MC. Truthfully, I probably wont go back to it. Sorry to hijack your post, OP.
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The truth be told is that TD's ending in the anime is pretty open. The visual novel has them having a kid and things like that. I must say that one does come to understand Taiga's disposition during the show so it does come to a point where she is more likeable. Also I must say if you are going to reconsider watching it I would watch it subbed not dubbed only because the sub has more emotion to it.
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Toradora made me want to put a bullet in my head. The only character I could stomach to watch was Ami and the MC because she was an interesting character and the interactions between the two was enjoyable. Every other character acted like a complete idiot. The ending was nonsensical and was terrible in my opinion. I could never watch that show again. Taiga still acts like a little shit throughout the majority of the show and just made me despise her.

In the entirely of every anime I have ever watched (which is a little over 250 different series including their multiple seasons) I have only enjoyed THREE tsunderes (Asuka from NGE, Rin for the Fate series and Kyoko Otonashi from Maison Ikkoku).So if you hate Tsunderes, you're gonna hate Toradora. There is too much tsun and way too little dere in Taiga until like the final 2 episodes (which were shit and made me start to actually hate the MC for thinking up something so damn stupid) and then your left with a "What the hell was that?!" reaction.
Posted 1/18/15
Taiga is mentally unstable. She's not tsundere for the MC at all, so I wouldn't watch it expecting another ZNT or SNS. The character development is one of the most important aspects of Toradora, and Taiga's attitude towards Ryuji does impove later on. The other characters are entirely aware that the Palmtop Tiger is a complete trainwreck.

TLDR: Forget about Taiga; watch it for Ryuji and Minorin only.
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My favorite genre is romance animes and Toradora is one of my favorites/highest rated, so I would certainly say to reconsider watching it. (I watched with subs, Idk how the dub is)

So based on what had you drop it from episode one, I can tell you that Taiga does progress as a character quite a lot. However for quite a while at the beginning she is very, very tsun as you have noted and not very dere. The show really sparingly shows her dere side until towards the end when everything is coming to a climax (I guess to really maximize the display of her character changing). But the dere moments it does show her in while building towards the end are very, very good and will hopefully make you like her character.

In regards to the worry of inconclusiveness with the endings, that's more of an issue with the romance genre entirely lol. Romance animes, tend to always go with the whole "buildup to becoming a couple, and then end plot" instead of a "enter a relationship and grow plot". Toradora does follow the former, but it is one that is much more conclusive with where the relationships are at/going. **(There is a scene after the credits of the last episode that you have to watch, that I don't really understand how people could miss)**

Further there are some really fantastic scenes throughout the show (one towards the end with Minori that still makes me sad thinking about), and there is even a team nochance girl in the show you can route for if you really can't get behind Taiga. I also haven't seen everything they have made, but everything I've watched that was made by J.C. Staff has been above average-amazing, they really seem to have a knack for the romance animes.

Golden Time is also one of my favorites (that I see you have watched), and it is like the only romance anime I can think of atm that follows the "enter a relationship and grow plot". I guess Bakemonogatari (and all its other monogataris) also kind of follows that, although its not really a romance anime more of show about relationships between people with supernatural stuff involved. Chobits is also one of my favorites that more follows this style of plot, although it has a lot more with the "grow" part lol. Idk what I'm getting at now lol. Most of the romance animes just end by the people becoming a couple and it always pisses me off too lol. Also #teamOnodera, and dandere = best dere

Super Sidenote: Watch Sakura Trick if you are mad at all the other romance animes you've watched and are ok with yuri. You'll get everything you've wanted from all the other romance animes (besides a super conclusive ending) and you'll get it multiple times an episode.
Posted 1/18/15
Taiga gets a lot better. And the story gave enough closure for me as I also hate shows that end with the couple not even kissing.
Posted 1/18/15 , edited 1/18/15

tuhbakee wrote:

I'm sort of in the same boat. Tried out Toradora but couldn't stand the midget girl. I can pretty much guess where the show is going to go, and I sort of dislike everyone besides the MC. Truthfully, I probably wont go back to it. Sorry to hijack your post, OP.


Good luck going through life calling everyone small a midget *Grumbles.
Posted 1/18/15
If you like tsunderes then yes.
If not then no.
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My housemate force me to watch Toradora. but i'm not. I love tsundere but that girl too short and small. my other friend did not recommend this to me because the romance was school life and it does not fit us. So..... I'm not watching it till now.

Anyway, Ao Haru Ride pretty good. Watch Kimi ni Todoke or Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso.
Kimi ni Todoke (urgh.... the romance gave me headache. for some reason i'm about to throw my laptop. the story so.... URGH) - the romance pretty good
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Posted 1/18/15 , edited 1/18/15
I can not give you a reason to watch or not watch any particular show, but I can speak about why I do like Toradora. First let me say that Taiga is short and not a midget or dwarf (both are technical terms and have specific traits). First I found all the characters to be unique and not mere archtypes. One of my favorite characters in the show was Yasuko Takasu (Ryūji's mom). It seems in anime that parents are divided into 3 main archtypes. 1) Completely absent. "My parents are working in the United States so they let me stay here to go to high school." 2) Are superior parents or at least average. 3) Are rotten to the core. "My mom belonged to a cult and let the cult leader try and rape me." Now let's look at Yatsuko. 1) She is a single parent. Not unusual in anime, but most are widows it seems like. 2) She had Ryūji out of wedlock. (So yes, by technical terms he is a bastard.) I can't recall many (or any at the moment) of other bastards. 3) Her job is a hostess at a bar where she encourages other patrons to spend more money and does so by guzzling alcohol with them at a prestigious rate. Now I don't know how socially acceptable that is in Japan, but she does take a stage name so that might be a hint. 4) She is very immature in lots of different ways. But she is totally devoted to Ryūji. It just occurred to me that in one sense the relationship between mother and son is reversed. Ryūji is more of the mother figure and Yatsuko is the child. 5) She's is estranged from her own parents. But any other explantion goes into spoiler neighbor so will just leave it there. Yes it is true that Yatsuko is flawed, but everybody is flawed and in the show everybody has a flaw or two. Her big goals all revolve around Ryūji and her fondest desires if for him to grow up and become a good man and go to college. From the beginning of his life it's just been Ryūji and Yatsuko alone. Ye surprisingly neither are anti-social, criminal or psychotic.



So I like one character right? No, I actually like ALL the characters. None as mentioned above are perfect. They make mistakes. They laugh. They cry. Ultlimately it is a heart warming anime of real life. But it might not be your cup of tea. What I would suggest is give Toradora 3 to 5 episodes. If you don't like it than you know you gave it a fair shot.



Edit: Fixed a typo. Probably not the last to be fixed.
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If you don't like the tsundere bitch, drop it.
I actually forced myself through it, and i would honestly think it was a good show if that character didn't exist. She ruined it completely. I can't even comprehend how she's likeable to anyone...
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The biggest problem with Taiga is she falls into the class of "Shana Clone." An attempt to capitalize on the wild success of that character. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShanaClone) And while not all Shana clones are bad, she is, in my opinion. Like one person above said, if you don't like her I would drop it.
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I usually don't watch romantic slice of life anime, but I did watch Toradora and I enjoyed it immensely. Good character development, comedy, and as mentioned before an usually conclusive ending for a romance in an anime. Not perfect by any means, there were some things at the end that left me wondering what the writer was thinking, but overall I thought it was well done and entertaining.

I've never understood the knee-jerk hate that tsunderes receive, looking at how children and teens tend to behave I think it's a perfectly realistic personality type. The whole 'I like you but don't know how to deal with it, so I will annoy, tease, and fight with you' thing is an old and well known coping mechanism. I judge characters individually, not by whatever trope they most closely resemble.
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Rippedyanu1 wrote:

There is too much tsun and way too little dere in Taiga until like the final 2 episodes...

I believe you forgot the episode(s) approaching Christmas where she was so dere I felt like I was drowning in it.

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