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Post Reply Why is it that people think gun ownership means you're either stupid or a redneck?
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I never thought that all pro gun people would be stupid Rednecks but i do admit that i believe that they all are at the very least short sighted.
People believing that owning and using a deadly weapon is for the best of safety and preventing crime just can not be thinking all too much.


Is it that hard to imagine a scenario where a gun might be useful?


No not at all a gun proved useful to me in several situations they all occurred during my Military time tho.
In a normal everyday situation a gun is not useful at all it could even complicate things.
Lets say i do get robbed the robber only wanted my stuff but now he sees my gun panics and it escalates.

It would probably have escalated anyway if he saw only you. What's he going to do, ignore you while he ransacks the place? Let say he was armed. He'll just pull out his gun and shoot you. Let say he wasn't. He runs away. Now lets say you were armed. The results would be similar, shoots you if he had a gun, flees if he came unarmed.

The problem comes in "Do you really want to bet your life on the fact that he might have came unarmed?"




Exactly my point in a country where its hard to get weapons the common robber will not have a gun and flee.
So your point is valid but only in a country that makes it easy to get guns.
I also think that some of you might watch to much TV just because you are a Robber does not make you a killer however if threatened by a gun he certainly will be willing to kill to save his own life.


Valid point, but I don't want to stake my life on the chance that he isn't the killing type, but in the end it's a personal preference.




So what happens if you get robbed?
Scenario 1 the robbers manage to get inside without you waking up they find you in bed suprised that someone is home.
So what happens next?
I somehow doubt they would gently wake you informing you of the robbery in progress and give you time to grab your gun to have a nice shootout.They would either way run immobilize you or take you out (maybe they are very disturbed).
So you having a gun or not would make no difference.

Scenario 2 you wake up while the robbers break in.
So what happens now?
Will you grab your gun run out and have a nice shootout? Risking to hurt innocence with misplaced shots? Maybe kill the next doors baby cause you missed or the robber missed maybe take out the first guy just to be shot by the second one you didn't know was there?
Or maybe you will call the police hide behind your bed and shout out to the Robber informing them that the police is on their way and you have a gun trained at the door and will drop them if they get close.Now i am fairly certain almost all robbers will choose to run in this situation they are robbers and not hitman after all.
You did not need a Gun in this situation the threat of one is the bigger weapon.
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Doesn't even have to do with robberies. You'll want a piece when a critter starts reminding you that you aren't the highest on the food chain.



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So what happens if you get robbed?
Scenario 1 the robbers manage to get inside without you waking up they find you in bed suprised that someone is home.
So what happens next?
I somehow doubt they would gently wake you informing you of the robbery in progress and give you time to grab your gun to have a nice shootout.They would either way run immobilize you or take you out (maybe they are very disturbed).
So you having a gun or not would make no difference.

Scenario 2 you wake up while the robbers break in.
So what happens now?
Will you grab your gun run out and have a nice shootout? Risking to hurt innocence with misplaced shots? Maybe kill the next doors baby cause you missed or the robber missed maybe take out the first guy just to be shot by the second one you didn't know was there?
Or maybe you will call the police hide behind your bed and shout out to the Robber informing them that the police is on their way and you have a gun trained at the door and will drop them if they get close.Now i am fairly certain almost all robbers will choose to run in this situation they are robbers and not hitman after all.
You did not need a Gun in this situation the threat of one is the bigger weapon.


You don't think I have a roscoe close to my person is your first mistake in scenario 1, and they'll get down fast once people start hearing the loud bangs. (Or use ammo that doesn't keep going through walls)



Maybe this video might help you kids understand.

http://youtu.be/3bWjvomZmZQ

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Doesn't even have to do with robberies. You'll want a piece when a critter starts reminding you that you aren't the highest on the food chain.





What reminder? I'm top!
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jehester wrote:

Doesn't even have to do with robberies. You'll want a piece when a critter starts reminding you that you aren't the highest on the food chain.





What reminder? I'm top!


Yeah every year never fails someone becomes critter chow.

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To be honest, I kind of still do think that. Most of the pro-gun advocates are in some way falling under the umbrella of redneck, but not all of them.

I don't support guns at all And I do think we need to take influence from countries like Japan, who has strict gun laws and the among the lowest homicide by gun rates in the world.


Also, most people who are heavily into guns are hunters, and my personal thoughts on people who hunt can be explained by me just putting this


I do agree we should be stricter on firearms in America and we should make an attempt to base this off Japan, but I feel there is just too much diversity causing differences in the states rather then Japan. Plus our population is just that much more great which is a problem if you are trying to imitate a smaller countries policies.
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Boy I sure hope we hit Japan's suicide rate as well as their immigration rate!

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Just because you own a gun does not mean your illiterate. Some people use them as a tool to hunt, and they find hunting entertaining, but that does not mean that they are rednecks. I personally own firearms, and me and my dad just enjoy target practicing with them. Their is no wrong with that, it is just a simple way me and my dad have fun.
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I feel like, when you have a group of enemies, you imagine them as monotonically evil. If people are for gun control, they wont stop to think that the people holding the guns are humans, and simply bash them all as being the same as the worst of their group. Thats kinda a general thing about human nature. It is a lot easier to hurt somebody if they are far away than if they are close and you can realize what you are doing. (That was supposed to be an analogy for political views, not guns saying if you realize someone with a gun isn't a redneck then it would be harder to call them that)
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Posted 1/18/15 , edited 1/18/15
"Why is it that people think gun ownership means you're either stupid or a redneck? "

Because people doing stupid or even hideous things with guns end up on the news creating a bad example for everyone. Kind of like the admonition I've seen on FB a number of times, "Stop making stupid people famous."

There is more to it than that.
I think the world sees our reluctance to enact simple gun controls like a background check as a sort of fanaticism. Generally people think of fanatics as, well . . . stupid.


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My parents did not believe in carrying gun, if they had my life would be very different. We had just got out of the opera when we were accosted by a mugger. After taking my father wallet and mothers jewelry he killed them. If my father had had a gun my parents would still be alive, and i would not be compelled to roam the city under the cover of darkness delivering justice to the unjust.
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Also, most people who are heavily into guns are hunters, and my personal thoughts on people who hunt can be explained by me just putting this


Do you eat meat?


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Because they're a bunch of plebs with no idea about the importance of firearms.


Let's not oversimplify. There have been whole generations raised in societies where private firearm ownership is an oddity, the exception rather than the rule. While one may point to the empirical data, to indications that the primary culprits of violent crime involving firearms are those using handguns, there's still the matter of acclimation to consider. People have, in some societies, gotten by with such limited access to firearms as to have no practical access to them whatsoever. We can't just call them "plebs" for thinking firearms are unimportant, they've lived their whole lives in the absence thereof.
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Guns were invented for killing, or at least injuring. It's a diddly darn shame people like that run around with them in general.
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Not everything is black and white, and not all gun owners are stupid rednecks.

But...

On January 15, 2015 these people showed up at the Senate building in Olympia Washington to make a point about the legality of open carry laws.



Now maybe, just maybe they all have advanced degrees in astrophysics. I dunno, I hate to prejudge.
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