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So what happens if you get robbed?
Scenario 1 the robbers manage to get inside without you waking up they find you in bed suprised that someone is home.
So what happens next?
I somehow doubt they would gently wake you informing you of the robbery in progress and give you time to grab your gun to have a nice shootout.They would either way run immobilize you or take you out (maybe they are very disturbed).
So you having a gun or not would make no difference.

Scenario 2 you wake up while the robbers break in.
So what happens now?
Will you grab your gun run out and have a nice shootout? Risking to hurt innocence with misplaced shots? Maybe kill the next doors baby cause you missed or the robber missed maybe take out the first guy just to be shot by the second one you didn't know was there?
Or maybe you will call the police hide behind your bed and shout out to the Robber informing them that the police is on their way and you have a gun trained at the door and will drop them if they get close.Now i am fairly certain almost all robbers will choose to run in this situation they are robbers and not hitman after all.
You did not need a Gun in this situation the threat of one is the bigger weapon.


You don't think I have a roscoe close to my person is your first mistake in scenario 1, and they'll get down fast once people start hearing the loud bangs. (Or use ammo that doesn't keep going through walls)



Maybe this video might help you kids understand.

http://youtu.be/3bWjvomZmZQ



So you do think that they will wake you up gently so that you can reach for it and actually make use of it.
Well that is your delusion and you certainly are entitled to your own opinion.


Yeah whatever you think Sir Sleepsalot. Just ask the last guys who tried to break into my place and got greeted by a pistol.

Posted 1/19/15 , edited 1/19/15
I like how this thread is up at the same time as the stereotypes thread

But to answer the question, people always love to generalize. It makes it so much easier to differentiate between "us" and "them".

The generalization that gun owners are stupid likely arises from the nature of guns themselves. To put it bluntly - guns kill things. That's always been their purpose, and until recently, it's been their only purpose. I suppose people find it stupid for one to be fascinated with killing implements. Or perhaps they think it's stupid for people to handle something so inherently dangerous to themselves and others. Those are my suspicions at least.

I personally would never want to own a firearm, but I sympathize with gun owners a little because i'm somewhat interested in swords. Swords are also killing implements - just not the primary killing implement of this era. I also used to think that both gun owners and sword owners were.... well.... not stupid, but kind of weird. Perhaps it's actually the lack of familiarity which breeds contempt lol
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Two words and an organization: Ted Nugent, NRA
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Because they're so uncivilized


Agree but would use it for hunting (try to respect "good" hunters, we need food they need food and thats how we survived in the first place isn't it?)
Sometimes guns are more humane so you don't have to go cutting up on living beings (torture) else yup they are uncivilised in fights/arguments/war or deal with "problems".... hate when people do that go for the easy way...

Also I do think guns can be a great defence like behind a counter you maybe in some areas really need a gun to protect yourself, but when so many has a gun then you will be in awfull position to not have it or a tazer if it works (would recommend tazer in around 40-60% of defence sitations (tazed person reached target while its being tazed) but a gun would protect you by around 80% (but could be way more death scenarios)
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jehester wrote:


Doomedfox wrote:


jehester wrote:


Doomedfox

So what happens if you get robbed?
Scenario 1 the robbers manage to get inside without you waking up they find you in bed suprised that someone is home.
So what happens next?
I somehow doubt they would gently wake you informing you of the robbery in progress and give you time to grab your gun to have a nice shootout.They would either way run immobilize you or take you out (maybe they are very disturbed).
So you having a gun or not would make no difference.

Scenario 2 you wake up while the robbers break in.
So what happens now?
Will you grab your gun run out and have a nice shootout? Risking to hurt innocence with misplaced shots? Maybe kill the next doors baby cause you missed or the robber missed maybe take out the first guy just to be shot by the second one you didn't know was there?
Or maybe you will call the police hide behind your bed and shout out to the Robber informing them that the police is on their way and you have a gun trained at the door and will drop them if they get close.Now i am fairly certain almost all robbers will choose to run in this situation they are robbers and not hitman after all.
You did not need a Gun in this situation the threat of one is the bigger weapon.


You don't think I have a roscoe close to my person is your first mistake in scenario 1, and they'll get down fast once people start hearing the loud bangs. (Or use ammo that doesn't keep going through walls)



Maybe this video might help you kids understand.

http://youtu.be/3bWjvomZmZQ



So you do think that they will wake you up gently so that you can reach for it and actually make use of it.
Well that is your delusion and you certainly are entitled to your own opinion.


Yeah whatever you think Sir Sleepsalot. Just ask the last guys who tried to break into my place and got greeted by a pistol.



Greeted by a Pistol.
Well that kinda would imply that you did wake up so Scenario 1 would not apply now would it?
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Below. I link to an interesting take on the topic by Matt Easton of Scholagladiatoria. He's primarily talking about fencing, Historical European martial arts, and other martial arts, but I think that the points he makes are equally valid for shooting. Looking at the grand scheme of human history, people that like shooting are normal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSiWjE8fGfo
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Doomedfox wrote:


jehester wrote:


Doomedfox wrote:


jehester wrote:


Doomedfox

So what happens if you get robbed?
Scenario 1 the robbers manage to get inside without you waking up they find you in bed suprised that someone is home.
So what happens next?
I somehow doubt they would gently wake you informing you of the robbery in progress and give you time to grab your gun to have a nice shootout.They would either way run immobilize you or take you out (maybe they are very disturbed).
So you having a gun or not would make no difference.

Scenario 2 you wake up while the robbers break in.
So what happens now?
Will you grab your gun run out and have a nice shootout? Risking to hurt innocence with misplaced shots? Maybe kill the next doors baby cause you missed or the robber missed maybe take out the first guy just to be shot by the second one you didn't know was there?
Or maybe you will call the police hide behind your bed and shout out to the Robber informing them that the police is on their way and you have a gun trained at the door and will drop them if they get close.Now i am fairly certain almost all robbers will choose to run in this situation they are robbers and not hitman after all.
You did not need a Gun in this situation the threat of one is the bigger weapon.


You don't think I have a roscoe close to my person is your first mistake in scenario 1, and they'll get down fast once people start hearing the loud bangs. (Or use ammo that doesn't keep going through walls)



Maybe this video might help you kids understand.

http://youtu.be/3bWjvomZmZQ



So you do think that they will wake you up gently so that you can reach for it and actually make use of it.
Well that is your delusion and you certainly are entitled to your own opinion.


Yeah whatever you think Sir Sleepsalot. Just ask the last guys who tried to break into my place and got greeted by a pistol.



Greeted by a Pistol.
Well that kinda would imply that you did wake up so Scenario 1 would not apply now would it?


Boy, you about as smart as a box of rocks.

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jehester wrote:


Doomedfox wrote:


jehester wrote:


Doomedfox wrote:


jehester wrote:


Doomedfox

So what happens if you get robbed?
Scenario 1 the robbers manage to get inside without you waking up they find you in bed suprised that someone is home.
So what happens next?
I somehow doubt they would gently wake you informing you of the robbery in progress and give you time to grab your gun to have a nice shootout.They would either way run immobilize you or take you out (maybe they are very disturbed).
So you having a gun or not would make no difference.

Scenario 2 you wake up while the robbers break in.
So what happens now?
Will you grab your gun run out and have a nice shootout? Risking to hurt innocence with misplaced shots? Maybe kill the next doors baby cause you missed or the robber missed maybe take out the first guy just to be shot by the second one you didn't know was there?
Or maybe you will call the police hide behind your bed and shout out to the Robber informing them that the police is on their way and you have a gun trained at the door and will drop them if they get close.Now i am fairly certain almost all robbers will choose to run in this situation they are robbers and not hitman after all.
You did not need a Gun in this situation the threat of one is the bigger weapon.


You don't think I have a roscoe close to my person is your first mistake in scenario 1, and they'll get down fast once people start hearing the loud bangs. (Or use ammo that doesn't keep going through walls)



Maybe this video might help you kids understand.

http://youtu.be/3bWjvomZmZQ



So you do think that they will wake you up gently so that you can reach for it and actually make use of it.
Well that is your delusion and you certainly are entitled to your own opinion.


Yeah whatever you think Sir Sleepsalot. Just ask the last guys who tried to break into my place and got greeted by a pistol.



Greeted by a Pistol.
Well that kinda would imply that you did wake up so Scenario 1 would not apply now would it?


Boy, you about as smart as a box of rocks.



You really do know how to have a meaningful conversation don't you?

Well your posts at least served the purpose to answer the question of this topic "why-is-it-that-people-think-gun-ownership-means-youre-either-stupid-or-a-redneck"
So in a sense your posts were very useful and informative so thank you for that.

I am sure you will have a highly intelligent come back to this after all all your previous posts did showcase just how witty you are but plz understand that i will not follow up with you any longer i just can not keep up with your witty comebacks (Sir Sleepalot/box of rocks.....)
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Posted 1/19/15 , edited 1/21/15

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"Why is it that people think gun ownership means you're either stupid or a redneck? "

Because people doing stupid or even hideous things with guns end up on the news creating a bad example for everyone. Kind of like the admonition I've seen on FB a number of times, "Stop making stupid people famous."

There is more to it than that.
I think the world sees our reluctance to enact simple gun controls like a background check as a sort of fanaticism. Generally people think of fanatics as, well . . . stupid.




This.

Actually, I know quite a few of the pro-gun types of the (hate the word) 'redneck' variety and otherwise. Some of them are very fanatical, but not all. What they mostly are is unreasoning. When I say that I'm not calling them intransigent, some are but not all. I'm saying they don't fully and logically think the whole matter through for themselves. A lot aren't even aware of what gun control advocates are even calling for. They assume that gun control means taking every fire arm that belongs to an ordinary private citizen away. While, that is what some people envision that's not what most gun control advocates are even looking to do.

Also, the whole faulty conclusion that a gun will equalize you as a victim to a threat along with the circular argument that we need guns because the bad guys have guns makes a lot of people not take gun people seriously. Neither of these are intelligent arguments. If having a weapon were enough to prevent people from becoming victims then a person with a gun, good set of kitchen knives, or scissors should rarely ever be harmed in their home by an unarmed assailant, and yet it happens as often as when the assailant is armed. http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/ascii/vdhb.txt The truth is your better off investing in really good doors, locks, an alarm system, hurricane windows, and staying away from questionable areas and situations. If your still scary maybe consider learning judo or something, because if you're not skilled enough with your weapon of choice or are just not in close proximity to that gun, knife, bat, or whatever at the time it's not going to be of use to you or may even be used against you. Also the assailant almost always has the elements of surprise and planning working in their favor.

The second argument is obviously silly. In countries where guns are not as prevalent and easy to attain gun violence isn't anywhere near as common as it is in the U.S. That's it. You don't have average citizens being constantly terrorized by gun toting criminals that basically have free reign and rule over the populace with threat and fear because their are no 'good guys' with guns. You just have less gun violence period. Anyone claiming that measures, like background checks, and only allowing those who have been certified as someone who knows how to properly care for, store, and operate guns own them, and leaving machine guns and rocket launchers to the military, not the general public are draconian and restrictive sounds like some kind of fanatic to the average person that doesn't care about guns. They just do. I'm not political and don't have a stance on the issue in that sense, but I do detest violence and weapons in general. I hear people argue that guns are tools, but the people I've met who get the most enthused about them seem to be mostly concerned with their usefulness as weapons against other human beings and animals. Self defense or otherwise, I just can't see getting so excited over the prospect of killing something.

Anyway, I do think it's unfair to paint every gun enthusiast as some 'Cletus' type. They're not all like that, but I have found many of them to be inordinately fearful and unusually preoccupied with needing to feel powerful. Still it wouldn't be fair to class them all as paranoid power trippers either. Some of the folks I know really are just rugged sportsmen.
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Because the reason people collect guns is usually paranoia or to feel powerful, and neither are good reasons.
I could just as easily subdue an intruder(s) with a bat, a knife or my hands as I could a gun, not that home intrusions are anywhere near as common as people seem to think.
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I blame the NRA. I personally have no issues with gun ownership per se, but I believe that you should have training and know how to use one properly. A gun in an inexperienced hand is a death sentence to a person on the other side of the barrel, after all.
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flipmane wrote:

I understand that many countries have little to no firearms among the populace, their police force included. I just don't see why it's looked down upon so harshly- am I ignorant to their culture, or is it generally frowned upon everywhere else than in the US?

Just trying to get an honest opinion from a few people in different countries.


Same reason every muslim is considered a terrorist, there's idiots that make headlines being idiots, either blowing shit up or shooting people.
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Well that's a stretch if I've heard one but okay.


What your doctor told you was BS though. You can replace meat with other foods to get the same nutritional benefits. Many other foods have the same nutrients that are plant based. Vitamins can also help out with this. You don't NEED meats, but your doctor is probably "old school."
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I dont agree with it in any way whatever, sorry. I think even the fact we slaughter animals in factories is disgusting, let alone hunting them.



Along with growing and producing fruits and flowers faster depending on whether or not you talk to them and what music you play, studies have proven that plants feel pain and even sense incoming danger. Some plants even have a recoil response to threats. Do you think the fact we slaughter and mutilate plants is disgusting?

Food is food. If you don't like the idea of eating another living thing, find a way to survive by an artificial means or accept the fact that consumption of other life forms IS life.

We can both agree there's a large divide between plants and animals, right? I see no need to criticize AiYumega's decision.


Just saying that if you have a motive for not eating one thing, but disregard that motive for eating another, your motive is absurd. She never said what her motive was, so I didn't judge her, I only offered up that if it was for animals being living, feeling beings, that it should apply to plants as well.
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Two words and an organization: Ted Nugent, NRA


Because everyone who has a gun is crazy and/or a member of the NRA.
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