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Why is Incest Wrong?
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Posted 1/19/15

KarenAraragi wrote:


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Genetics aside, you have the risk of parents grooming their children for an incestual relationship when the child reaches legal age.


That funny because the same could be say if no allow.


Sorry what?
Posted 1/19/15

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Colasice wrote:

Incest is wrong because of a couple of reasons.

One, because society tells us it is wrong. It's cop out but it is what it is. We're all taught that you shouldn't be with people of the same blood no matter what so it's ingrained in us to feel disgust even thinking about it.

Two, because of the increase in likelihood of birth defects. One of our prime directives as a species is to repopulate the earth and in order to do that you have to have healthy babies that can continue the cycle. If you keep staying within the bloodline in order to have babies, you'll eventually get to the point where you'll ruin that bloodline and nobody wants that.

Three, because family is family. Family is the people that you're supposed to love no matter what(not like, because not everyone likes their family >.>). If you start adding sex and those feelings into the mix, you run the chance of ruining those relationships down the line and only being able to think on them with hurt feelings and possibly hate. It's not worth it.

That's my two cents anyways.


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1. That isn't a reason.

2. So should we stop people with heart defects, high likelihoods of cancer, blindness or loss of other senses, etc. from having children?

3. Again, not a reason. People ruin relationships all the time, it's their fault if they want to take the risk for something bigger than what they have.


1.yes it is. Society developed these rules for a reason and you aren't supossed to go against them without good reason. Saying "why not?" is not a good enough reason.

2. No because two people with a chance of a defect or two having kids doesn't actually increase the chances. Genetics are funny that way. But two people with a certain chance of some defect having a kid doesn't meant that kid will definitely have an increased chance. With incest the chances are much higher. So in the end we have no way of knowing what will happen if two random people have a kid. We do know what happens with incest and it's not good so thus we prevent it.



That is no a reason is simply a excuse nothing more. People will have sex regardless of what society says.
Posted 1/19/15

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Vulpyne wrote:


Colasice wrote:

Incest is wrong because of a couple of reasons.

One, because society tells us it is wrong. It's cop out but it is what it is. We're all taught that you shouldn't be with people of the same blood no matter what so it's ingrained in us to feel disgust even thinking about it.

Two, because of the increase in likelihood of birth defects. One of our prime directives as a species is to repopulate the earth and in order to do that you have to have healthy babies that can continue the cycle. If you keep staying within the bloodline in order to have babies, you'll eventually get to the point where you'll ruin that bloodline and nobody wants that.

Three, because family is family. Family is the people that you're supposed to love no matter what(not like, because not everyone likes their family >.>). If you start adding sex and those feelings into the mix, you run the chance of ruining those relationships down the line and only being able to think on them with hurt feelings and possibly hate. It's not worth it.

That's my two cents anyways.


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1. That isn't a reason.

2. So should we stop people with heart defects, high likelihoods of cancer, blindness or loss of other senses, etc. from having children?

3. Again, not a reason. People ruin relationships all the time, it's their fault if they want to take the risk for something bigger than what they have.


1. It is a reason. It's a terrible one(which is why I called it a copout myself) but it's still a reason. There are people who are capable of ignoring what we're told by society but not everyone can. There's a reason that most boys' favorite color is blue.

2. No, because there's a chance that cancer, the heart problems whatever, won't happen. But if you DO stay within the bloodline, you absolutely will come to a point where everyone from that bloodline will be born with defects ruining that bloodline.

3. So you advocate ruining relationships because other people do?

While individually, these things aren't enough but together they're enough for most people to take a look at incest and say nope.

So only ban incest if it is 4 or 5th generation, or ban incest altogether?
Posted 1/19/15

AdamYZ wrote:


KarenAraragi wrote:


AdamYZ wrote:

Genetics aside, you have the risk of parents grooming their children for an incestual relationship when the child reaches legal age.


That funny because the same could be say if no allow.


Sorry what?


People of different family all ready do this with no incest relations.
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Posted 1/19/15 , edited 5/14/15

Metazoxan wrote:


Vulpyne wrote:


Colasice wrote:

Incest is wrong because of a couple of reasons.

One, because society tells us it is wrong. It's cop out but it is what it is. We're all taught that you shouldn't be with people of the same blood no matter what so it's ingrained in us to feel disgust even thinking about it.

Two, because of the increase in likelihood of birth defects. One of our prime directives as a species is to repopulate the earth and in order to do that you have to have healthy babies that can continue the cycle. If you keep staying within the bloodline in order to have babies, you'll eventually get to the point where you'll ruin that bloodline and nobody wants that.

Three, because family is family. Family is the people that you're supposed to love no matter what(not like, because not everyone likes their family >.>). If you start adding sex and those feelings into the mix, you run the chance of ruining those relationships down the line and only being able to think on them with hurt feelings and possibly hate. It's not worth it.

That's my two cents anyways.


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1. That isn't a reason.

2. So should we stop people with heart defects, high likelihoods of cancer, blindness or loss of other senses, etc. from having children?

3. Again, not a reason. People ruin relationships all the time, it's their fault if they want to take the risk for something bigger than what they have.


1.yes it is. Society developed these rules for a reason and you aren't supossed to go against them without good reason. Saying "why not?" is not a good enough reason.

2. No because two people with a chance of a defect or two having kids doesn't actually increase the chances. Genetics are funny that way. But two people with a certain chance of some defect having a kid doesn't meant that kid will definitely have an increased chance. With incest the chances are much higher. So in the end we have no way of knowing what will happen if two random people have a kid. We do know what happens with incest and it's not good so thus we prevent it.



1. The punishment for blasphemy used to be death. The punishment for homosexuality used to be death. Black people used to be subjected to slavery and discrimination. Don't tell me that how society views something right now is a be all and end all, that we should just accept our current situation and let others walk over us.

2. There are things called genetic disease that are literally passed down to the host's children. Incest might make it somewhat more likely for a child to have some disease but there are cases where we let people have children when we know for a fact that child will have a problem.

Also, we let people smoke and drink when they have children, we don't advise it but it's not illegal.
Posted 1/19/15


If incest is allowed then why the hell not other things? I do need to justify my points a little bit more but honestly, I can't be bothered arguing. I just think that siblings should only love each other as siblings and nothing else. That boundary should not be crossed. What's wrong with it? The mere fact that they're siblings is what's wrong with it, it's a gut feeling of rejection and wrongness; it's something that's not meant to be.

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Posted 1/19/15

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Colasice wrote:


Vulpyne wrote:


Colasice wrote:

Incest is wrong because of a couple of reasons.

One, because society tells us it is wrong. It's cop out but it is what it is. We're all taught that you shouldn't be with people of the same blood no matter what so it's ingrained in us to feel disgust even thinking about it.

Two, because of the increase in likelihood of birth defects. One of our prime directives as a species is to repopulate the earth and in order to do that you have to have healthy babies that can continue the cycle. If you keep staying within the bloodline in order to have babies, you'll eventually get to the point where you'll ruin that bloodline and nobody wants that.

Three, because family is family. Family is the people that you're supposed to love no matter what(not like, because not everyone likes their family >.>). If you start adding sex and those feelings into the mix, you run the chance of ruining those relationships down the line and only being able to think on them with hurt feelings and possibly hate. It's not worth it.

That's my two cents anyways.


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1. That isn't a reason.

2. So should we stop people with heart defects, high likelihoods of cancer, blindness or loss of other senses, etc. from having children?

3. Again, not a reason. People ruin relationships all the time, it's their fault if they want to take the risk for something bigger than what they have.


1. It is a reason. It's a terrible one(which is why I called it a copout myself) but it's still a reason. There are people who are capable of ignoring what we're told by society but not everyone can. There's a reason that most boys' favorite color is blue.

2. No, because there's a chance that cancer, the heart problems whatever, won't happen. But if you DO stay within the bloodline, you absolutely will come to a point where everyone from that bloodline will be born with defects ruining that bloodline.

3. So you advocate ruining relationships because other people do?

While individually, these things aren't enough but together they're enough for most people to take a look at incest and say nope.

So only ban incest if it is 4 or 5th generation, or ban incest altogether?


"Wrong" is totally subjective so you have to decide that for youself. I'm personally against it but there will be people who aren't. I was just listing the reasons why most people are incapable of tolerating it.
Posted 1/19/15 , edited 5/14/15

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If incest is allowed then why the hell not other things? I do need to justify my points a little bit more but honestly, I can't be bothered arguing. I just think that siblings should only love each other as siblings and nothing else. That boundary should not be crossed. What's wrong with it? The mere fact that they're siblings is what's wrong with it, it's a gut feeling of rejection and wrongness; it's something that's not meant to be.


Because it's a logical fallacy, read up on it. Legalizing incest doesn't necessarily legalize bestiality.
Posted 1/19/15 , edited 5/14/15

Vulpyne wrote:


Metazoxan wrote:


Vulpyne wrote:


Colasice wrote:

Incest is wrong because of a couple of reasons.

One, because society tells us it is wrong. It's cop out but it is what it is. We're all taught that you shouldn't be with people of the same blood no matter what so it's ingrained in us to feel disgust even thinking about it.

Two, because of the increase in likelihood of birth defects. One of our prime directives as a species is to repopulate the earth and in order to do that you have to have healthy babies that can continue the cycle. If you keep staying within the bloodline in order to have babies, you'll eventually get to the point where you'll ruin that bloodline and nobody wants that.

Three, because family is family. Family is the people that you're supposed to love no matter what(not like, because not everyone likes their family >.>). If you start adding sex and those feelings into the mix, you run the chance of ruining those relationships down the line and only being able to think on them with hurt feelings and possibly hate. It's not worth it.

That's my two cents anyways.


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1. That isn't a reason.

2. So should we stop people with heart defects, high likelihoods of cancer, blindness or loss of other senses, etc. from having children?

3. Again, not a reason. People ruin relationships all the time, it's their fault if they want to take the risk for something bigger than what they have.


1.yes it is. Society developed these rules for a reason and you aren't supossed to go against them without good reason. Saying "why not?" is not a good enough reason.

2. No because two people with a chance of a defect or two having kids doesn't actually increase the chances. Genetics are funny that way. But two people with a certain chance of some defect having a kid doesn't meant that kid will definitely have an increased chance. With incest the chances are much higher. So in the end we have no way of knowing what will happen if two random people have a kid. We do know what happens with incest and it's not good so thus we prevent it.



1. The punishment for blasphemy used to be death. The punishment for homosexuality used to be death. Black people used to be subjected to slavery and discrimination. Don't tell me that how society views something right now is a be all and end all, that we should just accept our current situation and let others walk over us.

2. There are things called genetic disease that are literally passed down to the host's children. Incest might make it somewhat more likely for a child to have some disease but there are cases where we let people have children when we know for a fact that child will have a problem.

Also, we let people smoke and drink when they have children, we don't advise it but it's not illegal.


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Posted 1/19/15

Colasice wrote:


Vulpyne wrote:


Colasice wrote:

Incest is wrong because of a couple of reasons.

One, because society tells us it is wrong. It's cop out but it is what it is. We're all taught that you shouldn't be with people of the same blood no matter what so it's ingrained in us to feel disgust even thinking about it.

Two, because of the increase in likelihood of birth defects. One of our prime directives as a species is to repopulate the earth and in order to do that you have to have healthy babies that can continue the cycle. If you keep staying within the bloodline in order to have babies, you'll eventually get to the point where you'll ruin that bloodline and nobody wants that.

Three, because family is family. Family is the people that you're supposed to love no matter what(not like, because not everyone likes their family >.>). If you start adding sex and those feelings into the mix, you run the chance of ruining those relationships down the line and only being able to think on them with hurt feelings and possibly hate. It's not worth it.

That's my two cents anyways.


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1. That isn't a reason.

2. So should we stop people with heart defects, high likelihoods of cancer, blindness or loss of other senses, etc. from having children?

3. Again, not a reason. People ruin relationships all the time, it's their fault if they want to take the risk for something bigger than what they have.


1. It is a reason. It's a terrible one(which is why I called it a copout myself) but it's still a reason. There are people who are capable of ignoring what we're told by society but not everyone can. There's a reason that most boys' favorite color is blue.

2. No, because there's a chance that cancer, the heart problems whatever, won't happen. But if you DO stay within the bloodline, you absolutely will come to a point where everyone from that bloodline will be born with defects ruining that bloodline.

3. So you advocate ruining relationships because other people do?

While individually, these things aren't enough but together they're enough for most people to take a look at incest and say nope.


I answered the first 2 in the above post.

3. No, stop twisting my words. People can love who they love, I'm not going to stop them because I fell they might ruin their familial relationships. If they really love their family member in that way then they should have no problem risking their current relationship.
Posted 1/19/15


I don't really care about the birth deficiency argument as they know the risks and if they were to have a child then it's their fault if their child is like that. But is that fair on the child? Growing up to know that your parents were brother and sister?
I never said everyone would jump arms and have sex with family members, I'm saying if this breaks one major social boundary then other social boundaries can also be broken and a World without social boundaries is wrong.
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So only ban incest if it is 4 or 5th generation, or ban incest altogether?

First off even one generation increases the chances which is the main problem. Plus are you saying you'll (hypothetically) do it but then not let your kids? Isn't that rather selfish? Plus even if you do plan to do that you can't guarantee it.

So even one Generation of incest is bad and saying it's okay for you but not anyone else is also bad.
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Often makes funny looking babies. It's just plain gross.
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I don't really care about the birth deficiency argument as they know the risks and if they were to have a child then it's their fault if their child is like that. But is that fair on the child? Growing up to know that your parents were brother and sister?
I never said everyone would jump arms and have sex with family members, I'm saying if this breaks one major social boundary then other social boundaries can also be broken and a World without social boundaries is wrong.


I know you didn't state it but the difference between bestiality and incest is that we know the incest relationship is consensual (hopefully) whereas it's impossible for us to know if a horse loves a person in that way.
Posted 1/19/15 , edited 1/20/15

Metazoxan wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


So only ban incest if it is 4 or 5th generation, or ban incest altogether?

First off even one generation increases the chances which is the main problem. Plus are you saying you'll (hypothetically) do it but then not let your kids? Isn't that rather selfish? Plus even if you do plan to do that you can't guarantee it.

So even one Generation of incest is bad and saying it's okay for you but not anyone else is also bad.

I don't really care, my dictum is to ban whatever is harmful in society. I don't view first generation as harmful, but 4th or 5th? Sorry, not behind that.
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