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This has been on my nerve for some time. I finally exploded
I served in the Navy from 1984 to 1990 (got out two weeks before Saddam invaded Kuwait)
I worked down in engineering.
I am also a member of the American Legion.
Now the problems
#1 Saluting:
EVERYBODY SALUTING? EVEN THE CIVILIANS?
now, when i was in the Navy, the only time i did saluting i had to be outside, in uniform, wearing a cover (hat of some sort), and not underway
The only time i saluted while indoors was some special type of ceremony or Personnel Inspection that REQUIRED me to be in uniform, wearing a cover.
If i was in civilian clothing, no salutes. (I would remove any head covering and stand at attention in accordance with proper protocols. no saluting.
Now remember, i was an engineer in the Navy so, maybe things are a little different for me. I often hear that the Army salutes everything at all times. I normally get a laugh when i do a left handed salute around them. This is permitted in The Navy (again, certain protocols allow for left handed salutes)
Civilians (not wearing a cover, or those that are not wearing some sort of Vet Organization cover) DO NOT SALUTE! They can stand at attention, place hands or covers over the heart, etc.

#2 Enlisted Ranks
I was watching one anime and i notice that the officer was talking to some enlisted people assigned to the ship. He called out on to be a Corporal and another to be a Sergeant. These were suppose to be ships personnel.
Now, unless the enlisted is attached to some Marine Group, WE DO NOT HAVE PRIVATES, CORPORALS, NOR SERGEANTS IN THE NAVY...ESPECIALLY DOWN IN THE ENGINEROOM!!!!! I don't think my chief would allow that.

#3 Officer Ranks
This is the one i got from watching Mu Luu Total Eclipse. Ensign Bridges is the main protagonist in the show. except...he is from the Army. WHAT! THE ARMY DOES NOT HAVE ENSIGNS! THEY HAVE 2ND LIEUTENANTS!!!!!!!


Now, again, maybe things have changed since i was in the navy. So as i blow on my pipe, i give everyone a left handed salute. (I am sure some Boatswains Mate will see the error of that last statement.)
Any other protocols/ etiquettes not being followed, correctly?
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Now, I'm probably no help whatsoever. But I just wanted to mention that what you put out here has made me learn new information, thanks!
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I can't really say what the nomenclature and etiquette of a foreign or fictional nation would be but if I really wanted to nitpick everything I would ask the world what practical purpose does their saluting even address when you aren't wearing a face visor. Even then crest pieces and uniforms lessened the need for this.

Simply put it is now tradition and a tradition is adopted by a new group usually in a mutated form.
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fictional stories / creative licence

not sure what else to say~
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Darn all Blackganger(not racially connected) Snipes, nitpickers....every last one of you. Thanks for you service.
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Maybe in the Japanese armed forces they do these things, or did in the past.

Throw in artistic license, artists with no military experience and incomplete or no understanding of How Things Work in a military organization, and of course things aren't going to match up with what you experienced in (presumably) the United States Navy of the 1980s.

Now repeat after me: it's just a show, I should really just relax.
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Does any of that even matter? its fucking fantasy lol.
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As an ex-military, I agree that it does ruin some of the "credibility" of the story if things like protocol and etiquette are not being properly executed. This saluting thing is always wrong in every anime though, so I don't really fret so much over that, and maybe even the japanese have a totally different etiquette than my homeland.

The thing that bothers me a little in some animes is the way they handle their rifles(thinking mostly of military) and in some cases how they operate when "on a mission". It does not make me mad or anything, but I would love to see an anime where they could follow real-life operations almost to the letter, just because I think it would be cool
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It's all fantasy.
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kimjesmark wrote:

This has been on my nerve for some time. I finally exploded
I served in the Navy from 1984 to 1990 (got out two weeks before Saddam invaded Kuwait)
I worked down in engineering.
I am also a member of the American Legion.
Now the problems
#1 Saluting:
EVERYBODY SALUTING? EVEN THE CIVILIANS?
now, when i was in the Navy, the only time i did saluting i had to be outside, in uniform, wearing a cover (hat of some sort), and not underway
The only time i saluted while indoors was some special type of ceremony or Personnel Inspection that REQUIRED me to be in uniform, wearing a cover.
If i was in civilian clothing, no salutes. (I would remove any head covering and stand at attention in accordance with proper protocols. no saluting.
Now remember, i was an engineer in the Navy so, maybe things are a little different for me. I often hear that the Army salutes everything at all times. I normally get a laugh when i do a left handed salute around them. This is permitted in The Navy (again, certain protocols allow for left handed salutes)
Civilians (not wearing a cover, or those that are not wearing some sort of Vet Organization cover) DO NOT SALUTE! They can stand at attention, place hands or covers over the heart, etc.

#2 Enlisted Ranks
I was watching one anime and i notice that the officer was talking to some enlisted people assigned to the ship. He called out on to be a Corporal and another to be a Sergeant. These were suppose to be ships personnel.
Now, unless the enlisted is attached to some Marine Group, WE DO NOT HAVE PRIVATES, CORPORALS, NOR SERGEANTS IN THE NAVY...ESPECIALLY DOWN IN THE ENGINEROOM!!!!! I don't think my chief would allow that.

#3 Officer Ranks
This is the one i got from watching Mu Luu Total Eclipse. Ensign Bridges is the main protagonist in the show. except...he is from the Army. WHAT! THE ARMY DOES NOT HAVE ENSIGNS! THEY HAVE 2ND LIEUTENANTS!!!!!!!


Now, again, maybe things have changed since i was in the navy. So as i blow on my pipe, i give everyone a left handed salute. (I am sure some Boatswains Mate will see the error of that last statement.)
Any other protocols/ etiquettes not being followed, correctly?


As others have noted, it's just a show, however, I too have a military background (US Air Force) and I admit, every time I see some sort of wonky, bass-akwards "military" process. Most of it is so laughably bad that I have to force myself to remember that it is just a show created by people that may not necessarily have the background (nor upbringing) that I do. Air Force regs about saluting is slightly different than in the Navy, so there will likely be some differences in my experience (for instance, anytime you enter and post while an Officer is at their desk, you salute, cover or not).

Regarding Ranks; I am less picky about this, as a majority of the anime that I watch contains the Japanese Self Defense Force and I will be the first to admit, I do not know their ranks. However, Bridges from Total Eclipse is a part of the American Army (I do not believe they specify whether it is the US Army or if it was just the North American Army, it's been a while) and his being an Ensign really rankled me, all for the same reasons it does you. Any time there is an anime that depicts North American armed forces, I tend to cringe.

Saluting, by and of itself is a symbol of respect, so I am a bit more lenient in anime with it, but if I see a Civilian saluting the flag in real life (like at ball games), it drives me to see red and it saddens/angers me that I see it so often. However, the one thing that gets me every time in an anime is when a Private or a Corporal will salute a Sergeant ... I personally do not recall there ever being a situation where one would salute a Non-Com. I will wholeheartedly admit I have likely saluted Foreign Non-Coms or Enlisted personnel, but likely due to the fact that I have no idea for what passes as Rank in some country's military, but the willy-nilly tossing around of salutes in an anime, well, I just try to think of it as a salute to us (ex-military) is in some way a Western equivalent to bowing in the East.

That said, I try to enjoy the anime for what it is, but like you, I get a bit irritated at some of the oddities I see.

On a final note, and I cannot say this enough, Thank You for your service; it takes a special type of person to stand up and swear the Oath.
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yeah, it bothers me too.
full metal panic, the scenes on the american ships bugs me. i have no military experance, and even i know they got it wrong. mithril, they get a pass. but yeah, it bugs me too.
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kimjesmark wrote:

This has been on my nerve for some time. I finally exploded
I served in the Navy from 1984 to 1990 (got out two weeks before Saddam invaded Kuwait)
I worked down in engineering.
I am also a member of the American Legion.
Now the problems
#1 Saluting:
EVERYBODY SALUTING? EVEN THE CIVILIANS?
now, when i was in the Navy, the only time i did saluting i had to be outside, in uniform, wearing a cover (hat of some sort), and not underway
The only time i saluted while indoors was some special type of ceremony or Personnel Inspection that REQUIRED me to be in uniform, wearing a cover.
If i was in civilian clothing, no salutes. (I would remove any head covering and stand at attention in accordance with proper protocols. no saluting.
Now remember, i was an engineer in the Navy so, maybe things are a little different for me. I often hear that the Army salutes everything at all times. I normally get a laugh when i do a left handed salute around them. This is permitted in The Navy (again, certain protocols allow for left handed salutes)
Civilians (not wearing a cover, or those that are not wearing some sort of Vet Organization cover) DO NOT SALUTE! They can stand at attention, place hands or covers over the heart, etc.



Obviously this kind of depends on the anime but in most cases I think the saluting is just meant to give insight into either the person saluting or the person being saluted. If they're being saluted it's probably meant to show that they're very well respected, and if they're doing the saluting it's probably meant to imply they're very rule oriented or something similar.

Having not been in the military I can't really comment on your latter two points. I'm guessing artistic license or(depending on the anime) a military in which those kinds of things are considered to be important.
Posted 1/21/15 , edited 1/21/15
if I were to nitpick something unrealistic about military anime, I would be nitpicking the fact that a commander is an underaged girl... or a soldier is underaged...




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t1ckles wrote:

As others have noted, it's just a show, however, I too have a military background (US Air Force) and I admit, every time I see some sort of wonky, bass-akwards "military" process. Most of it is so laughably bad that I have to force myself to remember that it is just a show created by people that may not necessarily have the background (nor upbringing) that I do. Air Force regs about saluting is slightly different than in the Navy, so there will likely be some differences in my experience (for instance, anytime you enter and post while an Officer is at their desk, you salute, cover or not).



Quick question: People have told me that Macross (at least some of the later iterations, I really wouldn't count on much from the 80's series, but something like Macross Zero perhaps) did a fair amount of research into the current military fighter jets of its time. As an Air Force man, how do you feel watching something like that?
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serifsansserif wrote:


t1ckles wrote:

As others have noted, it's just a show, however, I too have a military background (US Air Force) and I admit, every time I see some sort of wonky, bass-akwards "military" process. Most of it is so laughably bad that I have to force myself to remember that it is just a show created by people that may not necessarily have the background (nor upbringing) that I do. Air Force regs about saluting is slightly different than in the Navy, so there will likely be some differences in my experience (for instance, anytime you enter and post while an Officer is at their desk, you salute, cover or not).



Quick question: People have told me that Macross (at least some of the later iterations, I really wouldn't count on much from the 80's series, but something like Macross Zero perhaps) did a fair amount of research into the current military fighter jets of its time. As an Air Force man, how do you feel watching something like that?


As a US Army Vet who has served in joint force commands with the Air Force, I would say that Macross keeps very close to flying conventions.

The big one is they use English over the radio when talking between control and the craft. You can hear it in:
(List from memory)
Macross: SDF (First TV series)
Macross DYRL (Macross movie based off SDF)
Macross Plus
Macross Frontier (TV and movies)

The one they most likely did the military research for is Macross Plus (where two different defense contractors where trialing different new Mecha/Fighters for)
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