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Is A Straight Pride Shirt Appropriate for School?
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It is the same in the aspect that they both attempt to prove that whatever group is superior. There's a reason why White Pride Shirts aren't allowed at school but Black pride shirts are. It has everything to do with perceived intention.


Your first statement is "It is the same in the aspect that they both attempt to prove that whatever group is superior" yet when applying that same logic to something different, say, wearing a Gay Pride shirt instead, that same logic does not exist? That is the very definition of "reverse discrimination." Rather than breaking everything into "sides" (such as Straight Pride vs. Gay Pride, White Pride vs. Black Pride), let's look at like this...

Both "sides" are equal, therefore whether one supports their Straight Pride or one supports their Gay Pride, neither is in the wrong and both are able to freely express those things that are important to them. It is called egalitarianism. If someone is proud of being straight, let them be proud, if they are proud of being gay, let them be proud (the same goes for other avenues).
Posted 1/22/15 , edited 1/22/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It is the same in the aspect that they both attempt to prove that whatever group is superior. There's a reason why White Pride Shirts aren't allowed at school but Black pride shirts are. It has everything to do with perceived intention.


Your first statement is "It is the same in the aspect that they both attempt to prove that whatever group is superior" yet when applying that same logic to something different, say, wearing a Gay Pride shirt instead, that same logic does not exist? That is the very definition of "reverse discrimination." Rather than breaking everything into "sides" (such as Straight Pride vs. Gay Pride, White Pride vs. Black Pride), let's look at like this...

Both "sides" are equal, therefore whether one supports their Straight Pride or one supports their Gay Pride, neither is in the wrong and both are able to freely express those things that are important to them. It is called egalitarianism. If someone is proud of being straight, let them be proud, if they are proud of being gay, let them be proud (the same goes for other avenues).


In the case of black vs. white the white is seen at an advantage, and thus cue in the double standard.
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I'm not really sure what sort of stigma and/or oppression some members of the straight community feel they have suffered through and overcome to warrant having a shirt and symbols which proclaim their pride for having done so, but then there's no rule which states that slogans on peoples' clothing have to be sensible or logical. It seems to me a "straight pride" shirt is little more than a tasteless, half-baked jab at LGBT slogans which makes the wearer look like an ass, but as with clothing-borne slogans peoples' wardrobe choices also need not necessarily be sensible.

As for whether the shirts should be worn in school, I'm not entirely sure. On the one hand shirts which bear either pro or anti-LGBT slogans risk creating an uncomfortable environment which is not conducive to learning (which is kind of the point of school). On the other hand it's important that students be able to learn how to participate in current affairs and collective action. I suppose I oppose shirts like that appearing in primary or secondary schools for the sake of maintaining stable conditions for learning, but would simultaneously encourage primary and secondary students to try to learn about current affairs and engage in collective action on their own time.
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I'm not a fan of most forms of censorship, so I think let 'em wear it. That said; if you wear garments that draw attention, you're going to get attention- good and bad.


This more or less addresses the appropriateness of it, not whether or not it should be censored. Keep in mind this is a school, and they have the right to prohibit you from wearing inappropriate symbols, much like a workplace.


I'm aware that it's a school and they can set the bar for what is appropriate; I got sent home quite a bit for various choices I made in apparel back in the day. I would consider the act of defining what is appropriate to wear as an act of censorship, though. I don't care across the board- if someone wants to wear something inflammatory, prideful, or whatever- let 'em. Apparently that's how they want to be perceived. If you're super proud of being straight and that's the foot you want to lead with when interacting with people- fine.
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I think that if a straight guy and a gay guy were sitting together and had pins reading "straight pride" and "gay pride" respectively, the straight guy would be told to take off his pin.

I know we're talking about shirts here, but still.
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I have always been in favour of school uniforms.
Problem solved.
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"Proud to be Asian" like is there something wrong with the white people or black people? seriously haha. I'm proud to be straight because that's just who I am. My sexuality itself doesn't define me, but if you have only one characteristic that you're proud of then that's just kind of sad. And no, that wasn't a narcissistic comment. In the end, YOU ARE YOU.
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I'm not really sure what sort of stigma and/or oppression some members of the straight community feel they have suffered through and overcome to warrant having a shirt and symbols which proclaim their pride for having done so, but then there's no rule which states that slogans on peoples' clothing have to be sensible or logical. It seems to me a "straight pride" shirt is little more than a tasteless, half-baked jab at LGBT slogans which makes the wearer look like an ass, but as with clothing-borne slogans peoples' wardrobe choices also need not necessarily be sensible.

As for whether the shirts should be worn in school, I'm not entirely sure. On the one hand shirts which bear either pro or anti-LGBT slogans risk creating an uncomfortable environment which is not conducive to learning (which is kind of the point of school). On the other hand it's important that students be able to learn how to participate in current affairs and collective action. I suppose I oppose shirts like that appearing in primary or secondary schools for the sake of maintaining stable conditions for learning, but would simultaneously encourage primary and secondary students to try to learn about current affairs and engage in collective action on their own time.


There is a just cause to advocate the wearing of school uniforms based on such controversy.. its a shame and a pity that ppl cannot practice better discretion to avoid such sanctions placed upon them. I'm against conformity if it cannot be helped, after all these are children.
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I think its fine.
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So it's okay to wear a Gay Pride shirt but not okay to wear a Straight Pride shirt?

As to whether it should be in the school? I could care less; each school has the right to choose what is and is not acceptable. For instance, the school I graduated from banned tank tops / spaghetti straps and other articles of clothing that would bare the shoulders. Same with flip-flops and thronged shoes. Did I care? Not much, it's the school's decision and if the parents of the children do not agree with it, well, there are various parent-teacher organizations that can police the policies put forth by the schools.


See, that was my first thought.

Honestly, I don't care much about whether someone is gay or not, but I'd probably roll my eyes at the straight pride thing and assume that they're either trying to be snarky or edgy at best and offensive at worst. (wait till they speak to actually judge)

There's also this funny thing about laws.. They aren't out there to punish certain groups, no matter how offensive they may be to you personally, (regardless of your views). They're there to ensure that everyone gets equal rights and representation. That's why the KKK can gather in front of the white house and protest and shout out their hate speeches all they want one week and the next, the black panthers can go out and shout their bullshit. As long as it doesn't result in violence, both groups have the right to assemble and the right to free speech, and those things are considered far more important basic rights than trying to protect some overly sensitive whiny bitches out there from hearing it.... Because the same rights that allow them to bitch and moan are the same exact rights that they want to take away from others.

Mind you, I'm for neither the KKK or the Black Panthers. I AM for preserving equal rights to all, and fair justice in the courts. Even if it means those groups must be allowed to exist. Somehow, people are forgetting that when they're petitioning for censorship laws these days..

If anything they should have allowed the drugs suck shirt.
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It's just a shirt... it's not offensive towards gay people, in fact, I'm sure some of them would probably find the guy funny, likely for his arrogance. If you're allowed to be proudly gay, why can't you be proudly straight, or proudly bisexual?
Posted 1/23/15 , edited 1/23/15

animegirl2222 wrote:

It's just a shirt... it's not offensive towards gay people, in fact, I'm sure some of them would probably find the guy funny, likely for his arrogance. If you're allowed to be proudly gay, why can't you be proudly straight, or proudly bisexual?


Depends. If White Pride seeks to oppress minorities, then why not straight pride to oppress gays? Keep in mind that white pride shirts are banned at school while black pride shirts are not.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

It is the same in the aspect that they both attempt to prove that whatever group is superior. There's a reason why White Pride Shirts aren't allowed at school but Black pride shirts are. It has everything to do with perceived intention.


Your first statement is "It is the same in the aspect that they both attempt to prove that whatever group is superior" yet when applying that same logic to something different, say, wearing a Gay Pride shirt instead, that same logic does not exist? That is the very definition of "reverse discrimination." Rather than breaking everything into "sides" (such as Straight Pride vs. Gay Pride, White Pride vs. Black Pride), let's look at like this...

Both "sides" are equal, therefore whether one supports their Straight Pride or one supports their Gay Pride, neither is in the wrong and both are able to freely express those things that are important to them. It is called egalitarianism. If someone is proud of being straight, let them be proud, if they are proud of being gay, let them be proud (the same goes for other avenues).


Why would someone wear a straight pride shirt if being straight was the norm? Simple, to let the world know they're not gay, as if being gay was a crime. It kinda makes you out to be an ass. Though it is true. Schools will allow black pride shirts but not white pride. White pride is inexplicably tied in with racism and white supremacy, just as straight pride is.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/13/opinion/granderson-straight-pride/

This better summarizes my view point. Straights don't need a pride month, so why wear a pride shirt?
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STAY ON TOPIC PEOPLE.

The question posed here is NOT about race, so don't try linking the two together.

My opinion: if they allow "gay pride" then they HAVE TO allow "straight pride."
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Why would someone wear a straight pride shirt if being straight was the norm? Simple, to let the world know they're not gay, as if being gay was a crime. It kinda makes you out to be an ass. Though it is true. Schools will allow black pride shirts but not white pride. White pride is inexplicably tied in with racism and white supremacy, just as straight pride is.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/13/opinion/granderson-straight-pride/

This better summarizes my view point. Straights don't need a pride month, so why wear a pride shirt?


The article that you linked to provided an opinionated piece that provided no statistical evidence with no sources; simply a "I think this is the case, so let it be." Just because it is on CNN.com does not mean that it is fact; even the link states it's opinion piece, yet reading the article shows no statistics. I especially like the fifth from the bottom paragraph; terrible things happen to people, I get that, but this article is attempting to make the argument that it only happens to the LBGT community. News flash, it doesn't, violent crimes happen to people whether they are a part of the LBGT community or not. Find some concrete evidence providing a solid argument and I will be happy to talk more.

The point is equality, treat everyone and everything as equals. Not this reverse discrimination that you seem to think is appropriate; why give one group of people more access, benefits, exposure, freedom, and rights than another? Those of you that feel this way, such as you who finds it acceptable to oppress a student declaring their Straight Pride, yet allow another student, encourage even, them to wear their Gay Pride clothing. Again, reverse discrimination (which, mind you, is just as wrong as true discrimination).

Treat everything equally but until viewpoints like yours are done away with, this cannot happen. As long as you continue to see "sides," they will not be treated as equals, as they deserve to be. There is no "gay" side, nor is there a "straight" side. There are simply people that deserve to be treated as equals. Once you begin to see that, things will change, but until you do, well, you will continue to be a part of the problem.

A straight person is prideful that they are straight; okay, that's fine let them be after all, who are you to oppress someone's right to express themselves? Are you not continuing to fuel the fire by treating those out there that wish to express their straight sexuality ... in the exact same way that the LBGT community had been oppressed? Your way of thinking is part of the problem and until you can stop labeling people and treating them different (i.e. not equally) there will always be an problem.
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