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Is A Straight Pride Shirt Appropriate for School?
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Posted 1/27/15 , edited 1/27/15

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Fairly well divided opinions here.

"Straight pride" is somewhat offensive to people, because the entire purpose of "gay pride" is to reinforce the idea that it's okay to be gay. If you're straight, every day you live is an embodiment of straight pride. You don't need to show pride for being straight, because that is aleady the vast norm. Over 95% of Americans identify as straight, if you don't understand how it's the "norm".

We need a "gay pride" movement to exist continually just so the vast majority doesn't discriminate against gay people. If you go somewhere holding hands with your love, as a straight person, are you going to generate any dirty looks in your direction? Are people going to sneer and make fun of you behind your back (or even to your face)? No, because it's completely normal for that to exist in society.

If you're straight, you don't suffer any of the same hardships that a gay person does. You didn't have to "come out of the closet". You don't have to be wary of your location when with your loved one, for fear of your own safety. No one is against your straightness (except some dumbass tumblr feminazis, perhaps). You don't need straight pride, when you practically live it every day. My favorite comparison is with rich people. Do rich people need monetary assistance, like most in the lower-to-middle classes do? No, but they claim it anyway with tax refunds and whatever loophole they can find. They simply don't need it, but wish to do it anyway, and that's really detrimental to the entire system.

This whole "straight pride" movement was literally just a kneejerk response by straight, white people who never understood the purpose of "gay pride" in the first place. People who were just annoyed that gay people were getting recognition. People who don't understand the hardships of being gay in the first place. The kinds of people who would say "I just hate PDA in general, it's not because they're gay", but you know that's bullshit.

Is it technically wrong to have "straight pride"? Morally, no. However, the impact "straight pride" has means a competitiveness with "gay pride"(and it even takes away from it), not a coalescence. It's simply counterproductive.


EXACTLY 100%.

Quite frankly, the people who voted "Yes" in the poll should be ashamed. It's certainly not appropriate for school, or anywhere else.
Posted 1/27/15 , edited 1/27/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


CptSpeirs wrote:


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If they like being straight why not. But damn you and your threads


Because I see it as oppressing to gay people in the same vein as white pride is oppressing to all minorities.


How is white pride oppressing to minorities? Am I supposed to be ashamed of being white?


If you don't know the history of white pride then perhaps we should have a white history month. It has negative connotations due to it being used primarily by white separatist, white nationalist, neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations.

They say white pride is no inherently racist, which could be true, but it also true that the person expressing white pride usually is.

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So accorded to your logic black pride holds negative connotations too, because of groups like the Black panthers?


I rescind my statement, I don't mean pride you have in yourself, but the white pride movement in itself, which is basically all black panthers (or more like the Nation of Islam) if you get my drift. The only reason why people would proclaim white pride is to oppress minorities. It is simply a matter of perceived intention due to historical connotations. No one will bat an eye if a black man walks with a shirt saying black pride, but you'll be called a racist if you're a Caucasian male wearing a shirt that says white pride.

TL:DR White Pride has historically been used as a front to make the white supremacy movement seem less harmful and racist. Proclaiming white pride is tantamount to allying yourself with the white pride movement, which has historically been propelled by white supremacy groups.
Posted 1/27/15

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_xiro_ wrote:

Fairly well divided opinions here.

"Straight pride" is somewhat offensive to people, because the entire purpose of "gay pride" is to reinforce the idea that it's okay to be gay. If you're straight, every day you live is an embodiment of straight pride. You don't need to show pride for being straight, because that is aleady the vast norm. Over 95% of Americans identify as straight, if you don't understand how it's the "norm".

We need a "gay pride" movement to exist continually just so the vast majority doesn't discriminate against gay people. If you go somewhere holding hands with your love, as a straight person, are you going to generate any dirty looks in your direction? Are people going to sneer and make fun of you behind your back (or even to your face)? No, because it's completely normal for that to exist in society.

If you're straight, you don't suffer any of the same hardships that a gay person does. You didn't have to "come out of the closet". You don't have to be wary of your location when with your loved one, for fear of your own safety. No one is against your straightness (except some dumbass tumblr feminazis, perhaps). You don't need straight pride, when you practically live it every day. My favorite comparison is with rich people. Do rich people need monetary assistance, like most in the lower-to-middle classes do? No, but they claim it anyway with tax refunds and whatever loophole they can find. They simply don't need it, but wish to do it anyway, and that's really detrimental to the entire system.

This whole "straight pride" movement was literally just a kneejerk response by straight, white people who never understood the purpose of "gay pride" in the first place. People who were just annoyed that gay people were getting recognition. People who don't understand the hardships of being gay in the first place. The kinds of people who would say "I just hate PDA in general, it's not because they're gay", but you know that's bullshit.

Is it technically wrong to have "straight pride"? Morally, no. However, the impact "straight pride" has means a competitiveness with "gay pride"(and it even takes away from it), not a coalescence. It's simply counterproductive.


EXACTLY 100%.

Quite frankly, the people who voted "Yes" in the poll should be ashamed. It's certainly not appropriate for school, or anywhere else.


I hope it due to the confusion between censoring something and merely condemning it for it properties. I'm not a fan of censorship, but when something is offensive, it is never appropriate. Does that mean it should be banned? I'm not sure, I am just saying it is inappropriate given the likely intent.
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People should be comfortable with who they are, so I don't care. As others have said - if a gay pride shirt's okay, then a straight pride shirt should be too.

And unless the shirt says something like, "Straight Pride, Teh Gheys Suck" then I don't see why it would really be that big a deal. That said, I fully expect it to be censored in schools.
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Despite what I said, I think there's more important issues that need to be addressed.
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I see straight pride as a sarcastic, self depreciating joke, similar to 'first world problems' or 'professional procrastinator'. It's so absurd that you end up getting a good laugh out of it. Is it appropriate at face level? Sure. Is it tasteful? If you dig deeper, probably not. The Save the Tatas slogan is just as bad in my opinion. But clearly, people will interpret it in different ways.

There's a huge double standard that's I'm seeing which is bothering me. I think it's fine to be proud of who you are; gay, straight, white, black, purple, blue, ect. What makes certain slogans ok to wear and others taboo? Why can a woman say that she's proud of who she is but if a man says the same thing, it's misogynist? Is it offensive to say that you're proud to be an American because there are some countries that don't have the same liberties you do? (And I'm not going to get starting on White Pride vs Black Pride. It's off topic but black pride is oppressive to minorities. Just look up the LA riots in Koreatown)


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EXACTLY 100%.

Quite frankly, the people who voted "Yes" in the poll should be ashamed. It's certainly not appropriate for school, or anywhere else.


I understand that the LGBT community has long been discriminated against but I also feel like I shouldn't be ashamed to be straight. I shouldn't have to apologize to people or made to feel ashamed because of my sexuality any more than my gay friends should because like them, I didn't choose that lifestyle. You can't tell one group to embrace who they are while telling another that they can't be proud of who they are, especially when they are things outside of their control. If you want equality, this whole "us and them" thinking needs to go away.

If gay pride is allowed, straight pride should be allowed as well but until this double standard is done away with, nothing's going to change.
Posted 1/28/15
Schools are...stupid.
A friend of mine had a "Sh*t Happens" shirt where the word itself came up like 20 times on the one shirt but this guy painstakingly put a tiny piece of duct tape on each T and replaced it with a P. So he could wear it.
But unless it's directly hostile, I don't see why anybody should have a problem with either shirts.
Posted 1/28/15

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I see straight pride as a sarcastic, self depreciating joke, similar to 'first world problems' or 'professional procrastinator'. It's so absurd that you end up getting a good laugh out of it. Is it appropriate at face level? Sure. Is it tasteful? If you dig deeper, probably not. The Save the Tatas slogan is just as bad in my opinion. But clearly, people will interpret it in different ways.

There's a huge double standard that's I'm seeing which is bothering me. I think it's fine to be proud of who you are; gay, straight, white, black, purple, blue, ect. What makes certain slogans ok to wear and others taboo? Why can a woman say that she's proud of who she is but if a man says the same thing, it's misogynist? Is it offensive to say that you're proud to be an American because there are some countries that don't have the same liberties you do? (And I'm not going to get starting on White Pride vs Black Pride. It's off topic but black pride is oppressive to minorities. Just look up the LA riots in Koreatown)


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EXACTLY 100%.

Quite frankly, the people who voted "Yes" in the poll should be ashamed. It's certainly not appropriate for school, or anywhere else.


I understand that the LGBT community has long been discriminated against but I also feel like I shouldn't be ashamed to be straight. I shouldn't have to apologize to people or made to feel ashamed because of my sexuality any more than my gay friends should because like them, I didn't choose that lifestyle. You can't tell one group to embrace who they are while telling another that they can't be proud of who they are, especially when they are things outside of their control. If you want equality, this whole "us and them" thinking needs to go away.

If gay pride is allowed, straight pride should be allowed as well but until this double standard is done away with, nothing's going to change.


Perceived intention is key. White Pride is historically tied in with the white pride movement perpetuated by xenophobic nativists and white supremacy groups. Double standards exist for a reason, and they're not inherently wrong in my view. Even if it were a joke, it was an offensive joke. It's okay to be straight, but why would a person need a straight pride shirt if not to assert that straight is superior, when this has long been the case of the straight pride movement in general? Again, it is all about perceived intentions.
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If gay pride shirts are allowed then straight pride ones should as well. If gay pride shirts aren't allowed than neither should straight pride ones be. Lets stop having double standards people. Same goes with racial, religious, etc...clothing. If you allow one you need to allow them all, not just pick and choose which one is more or less popular.
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Yes! People need to learn to be more accepting of sexualities, if you can wear yours on a shirt good for you! As a gay sophomore, I'd love to see someone walk around school with a shirt like that
Posted 1/29/15 , edited 1/29/15

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If gay pride shirts are allowed then straight pride ones should as well. If gay pride shirts aren't allowed than neither should straight pride ones be. Lets stop having double standards people. Same goes with racial, religious, etc...clothing. If you allow one you need to allow them all, not just pick and choose which one is more or less popular.


That would infer that double standards don't exist for a reason, which they do. I'm tired of the whole double standards = automatically wrong thing.
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That would infer that double standards don't exist for a reason, which they do. I'm tired of the whole double standards = automatically wrong thing.


Alright, enlighten me. What reason do double standards have that aren't ridiculous and bogus? As a tall skinny white male I'm at the losing end of so many double standards it's not even funny.

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Yes! People need to learn to be more accepting of sexualities, if you can wear yours on a shirt good for you! As a gay sophomore, I'd love to see someone walk around school with a shirt like that


If one says that people need to be more accepting of alternate sexualities, then it should also be the case that those of differing sexualities need to be more accepting of those that find anything beyond traditional sexuality to be disturbing, gross, abnormal, etc...

The same way you might not want to see someone wearing something that reminds you of the traditional distaste for alternate sexualities, some of us don't really want to be force fed reminders of alternate sexualities.

Please keep in mind the above is not meant as an attack on those of alternate sexualities. I just am trying to make a point :-).
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loiloiloi6 wrote:

Yes! People need to learn to be more accepting of sexualities, if you can wear yours on a shirt good for you! As a gay sophomore, I'd love to see someone walk around school with a shirt like that


If one says that people need to be more accepting of alternate sexualities, then it should also be the case that those of differing sexualities need to be more accepting of those that find anything beyond traditional sexuality to be disturbing, gross, abnormal, etc...

The same way you might not want to see someone wearing something that reminds you of the traditional distaste for alternate sexualities, some of us don't really want to be force fed reminders of alternate sexualities.

Please keep in mind the above is not meant as an attack on those of alternate sexualities. I just am trying to make a point :-).


Let me correct you for one second, there is no such thing as "alternate sexualities". What you're referring to is sexual orientations.

Also, accepting gay people for who they are creates a world of peace, love and acceptance. What you're saying is that we should tolerate people's bigotry against gay people while they use "gross and "disturbing" as their justification, which is highly offensive and and disrespectful to the LGBT community.

How about these homophobic bigots just get over the fact that gay people exist and just move on? That sounds like a good idea to me.
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masked185 wrote:


loiloiloi6 wrote:

Yes! People need to learn to be more accepting of sexualities, if you can wear yours on a shirt good for you! As a gay sophomore, I'd love to see someone walk around school with a shirt like that


If one says that people need to be more accepting of alternate sexualities, then it should also be the case that those of differing sexualities need to be more accepting of those that find anything beyond traditional sexuality to be disturbing, gross, abnormal, etc...

The same way you might not want to see someone wearing something that reminds you of the traditional distaste for alternate sexualities, some of us don't really want to be force fed reminders of alternate sexualities.

Please keep in mind the above is not meant as an attack on those of alternate sexualities. I just am trying to make a point :-).


Let me correct you for one second, there is no such thing as "alternate sexualities". What you're referring to is sexual orientations.

Also, accepting gay people for who they are creates a world of peace, love and acceptance. What you're saying is that we should tolerate people's bigotry against gay people while they use "gross and "disturbing" as their justification, which is highly offensive and and disrespectful to the LGBT community.

How about these homophobic bigots just get over the fact that gay people exist and just move on? That sounds like a good idea to me.


This is the real issue here. You must accept us! But we don't need to accept you :D. That's the real problem and what will continue to cause "battles" between the two sides. Your blatant statement that alternate sexual orientations is completely normal is a slap in the face to conservatives and traditional ideals. Yet you could care less? Yes I'm suppose to 100% accept your position? That's ludicrous.

You must accept me, but I won't accept you. That has never worked or benefited anyone in the history of anything. Doesn't work in politics, doesn't work in religion, won't work in sexuality arguments.

I personally am fully conservative and traditional. That being said I accept that other people have differing ideals than my own and try not to clap them in the face with mine. The problem I continually get slapped with theirs. How long will it be before those traditionalists that would be at the very least neutral will suddenly become aggressive simply due to continual jabs? You're hurting yourself in the longrun not helping to unite both sides.
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