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I had actually dropped down to anime subscription the month before they announced this, thinking that I was going to lose manga, and not caring about the K/J-Drama that I would no longer be able to watch. So I've been very happy that they added manga to the anime membership, since the only reason I was an all access had been for the manga. Despite the vocal complaints from some, I have a feeling that the K/J-Drama lovers were a (Very Vocal) minority of the all access, and that most tried it for the manga, and just didn't want to keep paying the price for it all. I could be wrong though.
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Still not sure what the hubub is about. I haven't paid anything additional on top of my all-access membership on CR, not for kdrama.com nor SoompiTV, and am not going to (at least in the near future) per my $0.00 billing for SoompiTV for the period of 1/24/15-2/24/15. Soompi was acquired by CR, not the other way around. For what I am assuming were branding purposes, they abandoned the kdrama.com name for SoompiTV since Soompi already had a "brand" if you will, and kdrama.com was months old. I am assuming this transition is more or less in the same spirit. CR's kdrama catalog is already on SoompiTV; SoompiTV's catalog is larger and more current. It would make sense to have the Korean content on one site and Japanese content on the other.

if you read SoompiTV's terms, it references both Soompi premium and CR premium memberships.

I would think that if people used kdrama.com/SoompiTV, when CR was trying to direct them that way for kdramas, they wouldn't be so shocked at this news.

but if they slept, they slept.
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plaidypuss wrote:

Still not sure what the hubub is about. I haven't paid anything additional on top of my all-access membership on CR, not for kdrama.com nor SoompiTV, and am not going to (at least in the near future) per my $0.00 billing for SoompiTV for the period of 1/24/15-2/24/15. Soompi was acquired by CR, not the other way around. For what I am assuming were branding purposes, they abandoned the kdrama.com name for SoompiTV since Soompi already had a "brand" if you will, and kdrama.com was months old. I am assuming this transition is more or less in the same spirit. CR's kdrama catalog is already on SoompiTV; SoompiTV's catalog is larger and more current. It would make sense to have the Korean content on one site and Japanese content on the other.

if you read SoompiTV's terms, it references both Soompi premium and CR premium memberships.

I would think that if people used kdrama.com/SoompiTV, when CR was trying to direct them that way for kdramas, they wouldn't be so shocked at this news.

but if they slept, they slept.
If I remember correctly, you can link your accounts versus creating a new one. For All Access I believe when they started it they gave all current All Access members until the end of the year free on SoompiTV to cover the fact this site would no longer be getting much drama. We just started the new year this month so theoretically this was when that free offer was suppose to stop and users were suppose to have to start paying to watch there regardless of if they had All Access. Maybe Crunchy has decided to rethink that method though and are planning to make it so All Access will continue to let users use both sites without needing two separate subs. I am not sure if new All Access users can currently get that deal though?

The problem is if they aren't planning to let All Access accounts use the full catalog on Crunchy and SoompiTV then users are paying a lot extra for very little. J Dramas are great and all, but not when there are say a measly 3 simulcasts this season and they are removing the majority of their current catalog. All of these changes really only effect users that have one year subscriptions. Basically they got locked into a higher price for less benefits.

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My take on what's going on with Crunchyroll and K-dramas, both from my personal experience as an All-Access member and from doing some reading on sites like Variety, GigaOm, and the like:

First, my take on who owns what based on the various corporate maneuvers: Crunchyroll the service is operated by Crunchyroll, Inc., the corporation. The Chernin Group bought a majority stake in Crunchyroll, Inc., in December 2013. [1] In February 2014 Crunchyroll, Inc., launched KDrama.com as a sister service to Crunchyroll; this had apparently been planned prior to Chernin Group's involvement, but presumably was blessed by Chernin Group as part of an expansion into new media markets. [2] The Chernin Group then formed a $500 million joint venture with AT&T in April 2014 to "acquire, invest in, and launch over-the-top video services"; Chernin Group assigned its majority stake in Crunchyroll, Inc. to this joint venture. [3] In May 2014 Crunchyroll, Inc., acquired Soompi. [4] (Presumably the money for this acquisition came from the $500 million AT&T/TCG joint venture.) In September 2014 Crunchyroll, Inc., moved the KDrama.com offerings and KDrama.com subscribers over to the SoompiTV service. [5] At about the same time Otter Media, the AT&T/Chernin Group joint venture, created a subsidiary to manage its stake in Crunchyroll, Inc., and other online video services, and appointed as CEO of that subsidiary Tom Pickett, formerly head of YouTube Content at Google. [6]

So basically SoompiTV (formerly KDrama.com) is operated by Crunchyroll, Inc., with a majority stake held by an unnamed subsidiary of Otter Media, a joint venture of AT&T and The Chernin Group. Got that?

Now for my personal experience: I have been an All-Access member since (I believe) November 2013; I renewed it a month or two ago. I was invited to join the KDrama.com beta service in February 2014. I had some trouble with re-using my Crunchyroll credentials (which supposedly should have worked) and fixed it by setting up a KDrama.com-specific password using my email address (not my Crunchyroll username). In September 2014 I got an email about KDrama.com moving to Soompi, followed by a more formal announcement in October 2014. The KDrama.com credentials I established back in February 2014 still work on SoompiTV, and I appear to have ad-free HD access to SoompiTV shows, including simulcasts.

Finally, my thoughts on what might happen with respect to Crunchyroll All-Access members. First, I see Crunchyroll, Inc., entirely splitting Crunchyroll the site/service and Soompi the site/service, with Crunchyroll focusing completely on Japanese media and Soompi focusing completely on Korean media. I suspect the two sites/services will have completely separate membership plans and pricing. Given that, there at least three possible scenarios (not necessarily mutually exclusive):

1. Crunchyroll, Inc., will make official what is apparently already unofficially the case, and will formally grant current annual CR All-Access members premium access to SoompiTV for the remainder of their membership term. Current monthly CR All-Access members will be invited to subscribe to SoompiTV if they wish in lieu of retaining CR All-Access membership, perhaps with a 30-day free trial.

2. Crunchyroll the site/service will substantially beef up its J-drama offerings (both catalog and simulcast) and will make premium access to them the key feature of a revamped All-Access plan. Current CR All-Access members can continue with their plans as is or (if K-drama is more their thing) downgrade to Anime+Manga and then sign up for SoompiTV.

3. Crunchyroll the site/service will eliminate All-Access membership and either let licenses lapse for the J-drama offerings, or fold them into the current Anime+Manga price tier.

I suspect that Crunchyroll, Inc., senior management and Otter Media management are still in the process of figuring out what to do going forward, especially given the renewed competitive threat from Funimation, and there won't be any immediate announcements on the fate of All-Access. CR community managers will continue to maintain radio silence on the forums until/unless something official is decided. In the meantime I suggest that All-Access members try out their KDrama credentials on SoompiTV if they bothered to establish them way back when; otherwise I'm not sure there's a way to leverage their existing CR All-Access membership to get new credentials on SoompiTV.

1. http://variety.com/2013/digital/news/chernin-group-takes-majority-stake-in-anime-website-crunchyroll-1200910515/
2. http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/crunchyroll-expands-beyond-anime-with-new-korean-channel-exclusive-1201112718/
3. http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/att-chernin-group-invest-500-million-to-form-over-the-top-tv-venture-1201160876/
4. http://www.soompi.com/2014/05/29/soompis-found-a-new-family-now-part-of-crunchyroll/
5. https://gigaom.com/2014/10/07/crunchyroll-brings-korean-drama-streams-to-soompi-com/
6. http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/att-chernin-group-name-2-execs-to-run-over-the-top-video-venture-1201317498/
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That seems like a fair reading.

Hence the elimination of the drama-only premium option, as those who used the drama-only premium option were likely primarily following K-dramas, and most will have already migrated to Soompi.

As far as the state of the All-Access premium membership, then a focus on Japanese content at Crunchyroll would require a wave of new J-dramas ... which tend to be better fits to Crunchyroll's business model in any event, since many of them have broader region access than North-America-only.

If they have a wave of J-drama announcements coming, then its more honesty in advertising to announce the loss of the 107 MBS titles before they announce the new J-dramas, so they don't get complaints "I got the All-Access for the combination of the K-drama catalog and the new J-dramas, and now you take the K-drama catalog away???"

Good marketing would, at that point, announce the option to All-access premium members to step down to an anime premium subscription at Crunchyroll with a Soompi premium subscription for the balance of their All-Access term, and let the customers sort themselves out whether they have the All-access pass for the K-drama or the J-drama. Those that have the All-access pass for the online eManga are, of course, already sorted out ... they would still get to choose between an occasional ad-free J-drama at CR or an occasional ad-free K-drama at Soompi for the balance of their All-access term.

Personally, I'm set, since my All-access premium ends early next month, and I had already set it to not renew, planning to subscribe to an Anime premium membership when the All-access lapsed.
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I think the biggest mistake CR made here was not having the Black Friday deal. If everyone who had roll-over at the end of the year only had to pay $60 for all-access, I don't think you'd be hearing complaints. But by forcing everyone who'd taken the deal previously to pay full price for all-access or drop down to anime-only, CR guaranteed that a large number of users would feel cheated by these cutbacks.
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seanohara wrote: I think the biggest mistake CR made here was not having the Black Friday deal. If everyone who had roll-over at the end of the year only had to pay $60 for all-access, I don't think you'd be hearing complaints. But by forcing everyone who'd taken the deal previously to pay full price for all-access or drop down to anime-only, CR guaranteed that a large number of users would feel cheated by these cutbacks.

Except if they had done that then there would be a flood of complaints "when I saw the same Black Friday deal I thought it meant the same deal, but now the bonus content that used to come with the deal is going away!!!!"

Its not as if there was any secret that the new Korean content was coming to Soompi and not to Crunchyroll ... anybody with a little common sense would have realized that Soompi starting up meant that there was likely to be a loss of Korean content at Crunchyroll.
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agila61 wrote:

That seems like a fair reading.

Hence the elimination of the drama-only premium option, as those who used the drama-only premium option were likely primarily following K-dramas, and most will have already migrated to Soompi.

As far as the state of the All-Access premium membership, then a focus on Japanese content at Crunchyroll would require a wave of new J-dramas ... which tend to be better fits to Crunchyroll's business model in any event, since many of them have broader region access than North-America-only.

If they have a wave of J-drama announcements coming, then its more honesty in advertising to announce the loss of the 107 MBS titles before they announce the new J-dramas, so they don't get complaints "I got the All-Access for the combination of the K-drama catalog and the new J-dramas, and now you take the K-drama catalog away???"


I stayed All access for the Japanese drama because a)I am liking it more than anime atm. As you get older, tastes change. b) As stated before, these 100 titles were avilable to the U.S. and Canada only. I still don't think anyone has taken into account that for the rest of the world, this title blow means nothing to them. c) I don't like K-drama, only J-drama (everyone is too perfect).

As many people that are being vocal, I know I can't be the only one watching all these shows. Chrunchy wouldn't be continuing to add titles to the catalogue if no one was watching. I for one am happy about them splitting the two dramas apart. For years we have had arguments over Crunchy's pricing being the same in each region but offering vastly different content and this brings more equality. Everyone who signs up for Premiuim will get almost the exact same content.

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Ah! Setting your all-access account to not-renew (you can do it through paypal) until we get more information is actually a pretty good idea. Thanks for the tip Agila!

(I'll just watch the couple of j-drama's in my queue with all-access until it runs out around next month. I'll renew if we get some awesome new j-drama announcements or somethin'. If not, I'll just switch to the anime account.)
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plaidypuss wrote:

am I missing something here that I should be losing my shit with you all? I use soompi.tv. There was an email invite for all access members to use k-drama.com; all you had to do was log in with your CR login. Did so, watched k-dramas. There was a notification that k-drama.com changed to soompi.tv. Still logging in with my CR login., still watching dramas.

am I missing something?



You received a free trial that *should* have ended on January 1st but appears to have been extended, likely due to their login systems being down on 1/1 because of the DDoS attack.

I kinda expected this to happen especially since SoompiTV has all of the newer dramas and a lot more than just MBC titles. Just hope the device support starts coming, though I can AirPlay it to my Apple TV right now as long as I keep the Auto-Lock off.

Would be nice if I could merge my All-Acess account with SoompiTV especially now that it doesn't seem worth the extra $5 just to get 2 J-Dramas a season and a couple dozen catalog titles.
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plaidypuss wrote:

am I missing something here that I should be losing my shit with you all? I use soompi.tv. There was an email invite for all access members to use k-drama.com; all you had to do was log in with your CR login. Did so, watched k-dramas. There was a notification that k-drama.com changed to soompi.tv. Still logging in with my CR login., still watching dramas.

am I missing something?



You received a free trial that *should* have ended on January 1st but appears to have been extended, likely due to their login systems being down on 1/1 because of the DDoS attack.


This does seem to be the case. But the Soompi site is a little confusing in this regard. When I check my account there, there's a large message asking me (in my account settings, after I'm logged in) to upgrade to Premium--which strongly suggests I don't have premium now. There is a spot below that shows a subscription at $0 from 1/22/2015 to 2/22/2015 but for all I knew that could have been how they handle the free memberships.

It was only when I compared my viewing experience with a new show both logged in and not-logged in that it became clear I was indeed still getting premium service since I could then clearly see the difference in resolution options and ads.
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idioteva wrote:

I stayed All access for the Japanese drama because a)I am liking it more than anime atm. As you get older, tastes change. b) As stated before, these 100 titles were avilable to the U.S. and Canada only. I still don't think anyone has taken into account that for the rest of the world, this title blow means nothing to them. c) I don't like K-drama, only J-drama (everyone is too perfect).

As many people that are being vocal, I know I can't be the only one watching all these shows. Chrunchy wouldn't be continuing to add titles to the catalogue if no one was watching. I for one am happy about them splitting the two dramas apart. For years we have had arguments over Crunchy's pricing being the same in each region but offering vastly different content and this brings more equality. Everyone who signs up for Premiuim will get almost the exact same content.



Agreed!!! Hoping the J drama listings get beefed up on CR also - the Japanese dramas were my main reason for going all access.

Edit:
Would be great to also see more Japanese movies on CR!!
I just saw an ad in Japan for what looked like a live action Parasyte the Maxim movie, and it sounds like there will also be a forthcoming follow up movie for the Jdrama Nobunaga Concerto.
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Ah this is depressing news and they get taken away the weekend of my birthday. I've been a long all access member due to the dramas (which is funny when that started I preferred Jdramas when there was none and now I prefer the Kdramas lol Go figure).

Soompi just went over my head though I vaguely remember the announcements and I just checked I was indeed able to log in and have access to HD and assumedly no ads. It still doesn't do me much good if I can't watch it on my tv through ps3 yet but sounds like they'll be coming out with more device support. This would make me satisfied but is it really just a free trial of sorts?

I do it for the combined discount for both anime and drama (don't care about the manga, it's a perk on my phone when I'm bored) so I don't know how this will go if they truly split up payments between both services. I waited for crunchyroll for the ps3 app and I would wait/want the same from soompi. I am going to try to keep faith in CR but I may need to downgrade if we are expected to pay elsewhere. If it becomes a choice I know there's also dramafever and viki.
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Shouldn't they have announced this last year before renewing subscriptions? Or ahead of time if anyone still wanted to watch dramas? I'm pretty sure a lot of people cannot binge watch these all.
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It's always sad to see stuff go--even if it's something I'm not interested in personally.
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