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The Most Common Type of Racism?
Posted 1/24/15

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themediumdipper wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I heard someone say that a common type of racism is people who say thing like "a majority of violent crime is committed by blacks" depending on how they say it. What's your opinion on this?


Is being somewhat accurate considered racism? Blacks make up about 13% of the US population, yet according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics blacks committed approximately 52% of recorded homicides between 1980 and 2008. This doesn't even include statistics for domestic violence. I grew up in Southside Chicago where there's a considerable black population and I'm actually friends with quite a few single black mothers. They didn't end up that way for no reason.



Read it again. It said depending on how they say it. Meaning racists now will attempt to justify their views based on statistics. The most common racist person isn't overtly racist, but rather secretive in their views.


Well, that's why I asked that question in the beginning. And this isn't only just statistics but what I've also personally seen. This is stuff I used to see and hear happening in and about the black neighborhoods I grew up around. Believe me, you experience things for yourself you really do believe the stats and then suddenly you'll find yourself being labeled the "racist".
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Posted 1/24/15
Here's the better question.

What is racism?

Nowadays, we seem to have lost the definition of what really is racism. People are willing to call anything that doesn't fit their cup of tea 'racist' now.
Posted 1/24/15 , edited 1/24/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:


themediumdipper wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I heard someone say that a common type of racism is people who say thing like "a majority of violent crime is committed by blacks" depending on how they say it. What's your opinion on this?


Is being somewhat accurate considered racism? Blacks make up about 13% of the US population, yet according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics blacks committed approximately 52% of recorded homicides between 1980 and 2008. This doesn't even include statistics for domestic violence. I grew up in Southside Chicago where there's a considerable black population and I'm actually friends with quite a few single black mothers. They didn't end up that way for no reason.



Read it again. It said depending on how they say it. Meaning racists now will attempt to justify their views based on statistics. The most common racist person isn't overtly racist, but rather secretive in their views.


Well, that's why I asked that question in the beginning. And this isn't only just statistics but what I've also personally seen. This is stuff I used to see and hear happening in and about the black neighborhoods I grew up around. Believe me, you experience things for yourself you really do believe the stats and then suddenly you'll find yourself being labeled the "racist".


I can understand why. Still, some people use it unfairly to discriminate. It depends on intent. I honestly believe today people are racist and don't even know it due to statistics screwing with their head. Not that I mind in some cases, such as being cautious of a black man more so than a white man.

I can understand from personal experience. Everyone who had ever bullied me was black. I think if blacks weren't in the school system we would not be in a state of crisis. Back on topic, people shouldn't judge by statistics, but they do. Isn't that sort of racist?

After all, why cite statistics if you're not going to use them?
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Saying _____ smells or _____ works at nail salon is the most common form of racism I've personally observed. They're not the harmful type of racism, though. They're just... the ignorant type... or provocative.


For me, the harmful form of racism is... not about what someone says. It's about what someone does. Example... persecution... (Neo-nazi and their problems with immigrants), denying someone a job because of their race, not befriending someone because you are ashamed of someone's race or dislike that person's race/culture...

I met a Neo-Nazi on the internet before, and it was horrible... makes me paranoid about people in general, lol. These people take the pure race thing very seriously...
Black people commit crimes
Black people lack education
Black people are in gangs
Black people are thieves
∴ Kill black people

Sometimes unharmful kind of racism tend to be the source of harmful neo-nazi racism. I beleive the holocaust started from just the ignorant opinion of one man.
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Posted 1/24/15

bobland wrote:

Here's the better question.

What is racism?

Nowadays, we seem to have lost the definition of what really is racism. People are willing to call anything that doesn't fit their cup of tea 'racist' now.


Alex Jones could not have said it better. The fact is that the word "Racist" is a crutch that too many people use to rely to get through life. (I am talkng about people of all races, not just some.) That being said I would like to be the first to recommend that we start recognizing peoples right to be as ignorant as they want to be.
Posted 1/24/15

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bobland wrote:

Here's the better question.

What is racism?

Nowadays, we seem to have lost the definition of what really is racism. People are willing to call anything that doesn't fit their cup of tea 'racist' now.


Alex Jones could not have said it better. The fact is that the word "Racist" is a crutch that too many people use to rely to get through life. (I am talkng about people of all races, not just some.) That being said I would like to be the first to recommend that we start recognizing peoples right to be as ignorant as they want to be.


Alex Jones of all people? Well, he does have a consistent record to civil rights and a broken clock is right twice a day, but still.
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Posted 1/24/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


togussa wrote:


bobland wrote:

Here's the better question.

What is racism?

Nowadays, we seem to have lost the definition of what really is racism. People are willing to call anything that doesn't fit their cup of tea 'racist' now.


Alex Jones could not have said it better. The fact is that the word "Racist" is a crutch that too many people use to rely to get through life. (I am talkng about people of all races, not just some.) That being said I would like to be the first to recommend that we start recognizing peoples right to be as ignorant as they want to be.


Alex Jones of all people? Well, he does have a consistent record to civil rights and a broken clock is right twice a day, but still.


I love Alex, but I understand that other peoples opinion may differ. LOL!!
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Posted 1/24/15

togussa wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


togussa wrote:


bobland wrote:

Here's the better question.

What is racism?

Nowadays, we seem to have lost the definition of what really is racism. People are willing to call anything that doesn't fit their cup of tea 'racist' now.


Alex Jones could not have said it better. The fact is that the word "Racist" is a crutch that too many people use to rely to get through life. (I am talkng about people of all races, not just some.) That being said I would like to be the first to recommend that we start recognizing peoples right to be as ignorant as they want to be.


Alex Jones of all people? Well, he does have a consistent record to civil rights and a broken clock is right twice a day, but still.


I love Alex, but I understand that other peoples opinion may differ. LOL!!


Obviously opinions will be different on someone who on a weekly basis spews xenophobic nationalist hate preaching veiws and funds isreal publicly with his wife and slams the palestinians and mock islam.

I use his name to replace the term racist/bigot, yet alone debate it.
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Honestly, probably anti-Japanese racism in the hearts and minds of the Chinese. I mean, there are 1.6 billion Chinese people and they have the highest population in the world, and anti-Japanese sentiments are still widespread and going strong in China even today, so...
Posted 1/24/15 , edited 1/24/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:


themediumdipper wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


themediumdipper wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I heard someone say that a common type of racism is people who say thing like "a majority of violent crime is committed by blacks" depending on how they say it. What's your opinion on this?


Is being somewhat accurate considered racism? Blacks make up about 13% of the US population, yet according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics blacks committed approximately 52% of recorded homicides between 1980 and 2008. This doesn't even include statistics for domestic violence. I grew up in Southside Chicago where there's a considerable black population and I'm actually friends with quite a few single black mothers. They didn't end up that way for no reason.



Read it again. It said depending on how they say it. Meaning racists now will attempt to justify their views based on statistics. The most common racist person isn't overtly racist, but rather secretive in their views.


Well, that's why I asked that question in the beginning. And this isn't only just statistics but what I've also personally seen. This is stuff I used to see and hear happening in and about the black neighborhoods I grew up around. Believe me, you experience things for yourself you really do believe the stats and then suddenly you'll find yourself being labeled the "racist".


I can understand why. Still, some people use it unfairly to discriminate. It depends on intent. I honestly believe today people are racist and don't even know it due to statistics screwing with their head. Not that I mind in some cases, such as being cautious of a black man more so than a white man.

I can understand from personal experience. Everyone who had ever bullied me was black. I think if blacks weren't in the school system we would not be in a state of crisis. Back on topic, people shouldn't judge by statistics, but they do. Isn't that sort of racist?

After all, why cite statistics if you're not going to use them?


Statistics or not, anything used to judge, identify, categorize, differentiate, contrast, or distinguish the characteristics of a particular people is considered "racist" in today's world and others will see it as a form of criticism or hatred. Like whenever I say that Jews are a bit overrepresented in the Supreme Court since they hold the most number of justice seats despite representing only 2% of the US population, all of a sudden I'm being labeled an Anti-Semite, a Neo-Nazi, or a KKK member. I mean it's ridiculous.




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Posted 1/24/15

MontyDono wrote:


togussa wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


togussa wrote:


bobland wrote:

Here's the better question.

What is racism?

Nowadays, we seem to have lost the definition of what really is racism. People are willing to call anything that doesn't fit their cup of tea 'racist' now.


Alex Jones could not have said it better. The fact is that the word "Racist" is a crutch that too many people use to rely to get through life. (I am talkng about people of all races, not just some.) That being said I would like to be the first to recommend that we start recognizing peoples right to be as ignorant as they want to be.


Alex Jones of all people? Well, he does have a consistent record to civil rights and a broken clock is right twice a day, but still.


I love Alex, but I understand that other peoples opinion may differ. LOL!!


Obviously opinions will be different on someone who on a weekly basis spews xenophobic nationalist hate preaching veiws and funds isreal publicly with his wife and slams the palestinians and mock islam.

I use his name to replace the term racist/bigot, yet alone debate it.


Who are you talking about? I was remarking on how Mr. Jones has constantly said that the term racist is over used. The person you describe sounds pretty bad, but I never heard Mr. Jones say anything like what you said here. If you have a specific instance of him saying something like that tell me when and where it happened and I will look it up for myself.

Also I know that Jones has stood against the terrorism in the middle east, but that is hardly taking a stance against Islam.
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Honestly, probably anti-Japanese racism in the hearts and minds of the Chinese. I mean, there are 1.6 billion Chinese people and they have the highest population in the world, and anti-Japanese sentiments are still widespread and going strong in China even today, so...


I'm not saying that it is justified that the Chinese hate the Japanese, but that circle of hate has been going on for thousands of years. I wonder how it started?
Posted 1/24/15

themediumdipper wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


themediumdipper wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:


themediumdipper wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I heard someone say that a common type of racism is people who say thing like "a majority of violent crime is committed by blacks" depending on how they say it. What's your opinion on this?


Is being somewhat accurate considered racism? Blacks make up about 13% of the US population, yet according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics blacks committed approximately 52% of recorded homicides between 1980 and 2008. This doesn't even include statistics for domestic violence. I grew up in Southside Chicago where there's a considerable black population and I'm actually friends with quite a few single black mothers. They didn't end up that way for no reason.



Read it again. It said depending on how they say it. Meaning racists now will attempt to justify their views based on statistics. The most common racist person isn't overtly racist, but rather secretive in their views.


Well, that's why I asked that question in the beginning. And this isn't only just statistics but what I've also personally seen. This is stuff I used to see and hear happening in and about the black neighborhoods I grew up around. Believe me, you experience things for yourself you really do believe the stats and then suddenly you'll find yourself being labeled the "racist".


I can understand why. Still, some people use it unfairly to discriminate. It depends on intent. I honestly believe today people are racist and don't even know it due to statistics screwing with their head. Not that I mind in some cases, such as being cautious of a black man more so than a white man.

I can understand from personal experience. Everyone who had ever bullied me was black. I think if blacks weren't in the school system we would not be in a state of crisis. Back on topic, people shouldn't judge by statistics, but they do. Isn't that sort of racist?

After all, why cite statistics if you're not going to use them?


Statistics or not, anything used to judge, identify, categorize, differentiate, contrast, or distinguish the characteristics of a particular people is considered "racist" in today's world and others will see it as a form of criticism or hatred. Like whenever I say that Jews are a bit overrepresented in the Supreme Court since they hold the most number of justice seats despite representing only 2% of the US population, all of a sudden I'm being labeled an Anti-Semite, a Neo-Nazi, or a KKK member. I mean it's ridiculous.






That's what I said, but you have to think where they are coming from. What's the point of bringing up the statistic if not for the purpose of racism? Which brings me to my next point. Some people who cite these are secretly racist, which makes it difficult to criticize one group without appearing to be biased.

Also, over represented is more of an opinion than a fact.
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ShiroKado wrote:

People have the misconception that stereotyping = racism. Unless I specifically say something like "Koreans are the supreme master race, all of you other shitty races need to work for me" Or something that expresses how I think one race is superior to another, it's not racism. If i say "black people are fast" or "black people like to steal bicycles" that's not racism. That's stereotyping.


Negative stereotyping (like the example you so wonderfully provided us with) can be considered a form of racism. Nothing new.
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