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ISIS Beheads One of Japanese Hostages
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Posted 1/24/15
Hmm, civilized people are too kind. They can and will continue to do these things because a civilized person will try to understand why someone else is willing to commit such heinous crimes, because a civilized person is reasonable. Unfortunately there never will be an understanding or agreement. My Muslim friend told me that it is the Noblese Oblige of the Civilized nations to utterly destroy those who commit crimes like this, whether it is faction in a developing country or a nation, as fast as possible. A long protracted conflict will turn good people into vindictive animals and spread fear. Which is why ISIS should be burned off the face of the earth as fast as possible with no mercy. He literally told me it hast to be done en masse. They cannot be converted, they cannot be negotiated with and they cannot be left alone. A protracted conflict turns us into them. According to Mahmood, they need to be destroyed now. I'm not sure I fully agree, however I know that his family was wiped out by this kind of faction back in the day. His point of view hold more merit than mine. I think that British, Kurdish, Iranian, German, American, Canadian, French, Egyptian, Turkish, Dutch, and Australian forces have the best chance of succeeding. Go Anti-ISIS Coalition! Please protect the innocent as best you can, the world looks to you for protection....God bless our Multi-National Sheild!!!
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skeepnunkey wrote:

Fuck fuck fuck fuck


and we can't just nuke them, which is the worst part. fuck daesh and fuck our inability to deal with this problem(that is out of our control, mind you)


Good on you for calling them daesh. That name offends them more than any other.
Posted 1/24/15
Is that the group demanding $200M? Demanding that amount, they're making a point. What kind of population these days care? The world is a circus of horrors now. Enjoy it or live in fear.
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Imagine what would happen if the government actually listen to Washington's Neutrality Proclamation? Imagine how different our society would be without political parties at each other's throats and our constant involvement with other nations' problems?


Washington's reasoning doesn't apply to a time period where the US is no longer as isolated by its geographic location and where trade among nations has advanced to such a degree that the world has become largely interdependent. Changes in economic or foreign policy in one part of the world have a substantial impact on the other parts now. It would make no sense to follow the guidelines of the Neutrality Proclamation in an age where oceans may be traversed in a matter of hours, missiles launched from one side of the globe can accurately strike a point on the other side, and where open, stable trade is inherently dependent upon lasting intergovernmental cooperation.

It's not to Washington's discredit that his ideas have become outdated, that's simply what 200 years and change does to a person. What makes sense today will be just as outdated and in need of revision 200 years from now.
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Posted 1/24/15 , edited 1/27/15

BlueOni wrote:


ChaoticRuins wrote:

Imagine what would happen if the government actually listen to Washington's Neutrality Proclamation? Imagine how different our society would be without political parties at each other's throats and our constant involvement with other nations' problems?


Washington's reasoning doesn't apply to a time period where the US is no longer as isolated by its geographic location and where trade among nations has advanced to such a degree that the world has become largely interdependent. Changes in economic or foreign policy in one part of the world have a substantial impact on the other parts now. It would make no sense to follow the guidelines of the Neutrality Proclamation in an age where oceans may be traversed in a matter of hours, missiles launched from one side of the globe can accurately strike a point on the other side, and where open, stable trade is inherently dependent upon lasting intergovernmental cooperation.

It's not to Washington's discredit that his ideas have become outdated, that's simply what 200 years and change does to a person. What makes sense today will be just as outdated and in need of revision 200 years from now.

You still have to take into account that our government is messed up and a large portion of its disorganization was because of the dispute between Democrats and Republicans.

AND our involvement in the Iraq war had done absolutely nothing but put us in a three trillion dollar debt (not to mention killed thousands of good people).

Had we stayed neutral think of the money (and lives) we could have saved. Think of where we coulda been right now without that huge setback!

So in the end he was atleast somewhat right? Right?



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Posted 1/25/15
I'd say do the trade and send a drone to watch them, it might lead us to one of their hideouts then we we level the building, if all else fails we could just take him out, the only good terrorist is a dead one
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Posted 1/25/15

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I'll contribute then


I think we need to eradicate them off the face of the earth, and do it now.


The thing is you can't fight terrorism militarily. These people aren't what you call an army, and they certainly aren't a country (regardless of how hard they're trying to change that). They exist because they hold a resentment for all cultures that aren't their own. So long as that sentiment exists in those parts of the world, terrorists as we know them today are never going to go away.

I'm not saying we should do nothing, but we can't tackle this like we're fighting a country or military power.
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ChaoticRuins wrote:

You still have to take into account that our government is messed up and a large portion of its disorganization was because of the dispute between Democrats and Republicans.

AND our involvement in the Iraq war had done absolutely nothing but put us in a three trillion dollar debt (not to mention killed thousands of good people).

Had we stayed neutral think of the money (and lives) we could have saved. Think of where we coulda been right now without that huge setback!

So in the end he was atleast somewhat right? Right?


He had a very reasonable stance in his day, and it's only because of technological, economic, and sociopolitical advances he couldn't have possibly predicted that he's "wrong" today. The man was only human, and I sincerely doubt anyone in the late 1700s, no matter how brilliant, could have imagined things like ICBMs, commercial travel and shipping by jets, or instantaneous communication across oceans. This discussion board alone would've blown Washington's mind. Frankly, even the notion of having a black person occupy the position of chief executive probably would've thrown him into shock. That's how distant the world of today is from Washington's reality.

As for partisanship and grinding in the federal government's gears, I expect that was largely an intentionally induced condition. The propaganda leaflets for the Constitution make it plain that conflict was to be part and parcel of the system which had been devised, a sort of way to weed out bad ideas and ensure that only the cream rose to the top and became enacted. Factions were taken to be an inevitable part of the system, a fact which needed to be capitalized on for the sake of long-term stability. That's why the legislative, executive, and judicial branches were established not as partners, but as rivals.

Now, I sincerely doubt that what they had in mind was petty squabbling, instead imagining passionate and reasoned debate on the senate and house floors and a calculating executive whose interest lies primarily in the nation's long-term interests. But really, no one ever lived up to that standard. Hamilton and Jefferson/Adams entered into a fierce political rivalry with one another, and about 100 years later a man was beaten unconscious on the Senate floor by a Representative.

I won't argue that the money spent first on toppling Hussein's government and second on nation building efforts probably would've been better spent elsewhere. The current proposal for eliminating college tuition for an entire generation of US citizens (estimated by some to come with a $60 billion price tag) could be sustained for half a century at least, for example. Surely there is a more effective way to safeguard national security than to simply invade, and invade, and invade.

The decapitation of a Japanese civilian will probably throw fuel on that fire considering they're an important ally for the US in the Pacific. I'm honestly not sure what will happen next.
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Posted 1/25/15

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What's really sad is that many of these victims have died for no reason other than their race/nationality. It doesn't seem as if they have any target strategy besides "whoever we can grab that looks foreign".


Yes and no, "whoever we can grab that looks foreign" for all trading money and buy stuff too have more equipment and more "controll" around, but still they would go for anyone that "resists" or does not look like they would pick up a gun to "fight"... fight for what? damn this will leave some deep tracks if this ever gets sorted out!
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Posted 1/25/15
I am more worried about backlash against innocent muslims in Japan............ wait are there even muslims in Japan?
Posted 1/25/15

uncletim wrote:

I am more worried about backlash against innocent muslims in Japan............ wait are there even muslims in Japan?


Yeah of course there are. There are Muslim Asians.
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Posted 1/25/15

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uncletim wrote:

I am more worried about backlash against innocent muslims in Japan............ wait are there even muslims in Japan?


Yeah of course there are. There are Muslim Asians.


I acutely googled after I posted. There is a very tiny muslim native population and only 2 mosques in the whole country

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Posted 1/25/15 , edited 1/27/15
There's something really funny about you needing to post about the japanese hostage in an Anime forum lmao
Posted 1/25/15

outerheaven139 wrote:

There's something really funny about you needing to post about the japanese hostage in an Anime forum lmao


It's General Discussion though. It's world news.
Posted 1/25/15
When I heard about this before this thread was posted the other day, I knew that would happen. The other one is as good as dead, sadly. Like others have already suggested, payment would likely not affect the outcome.
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