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What the fuck is wrong with america. It not fucking okay to fucking fuck your teacher for fucking sake. I really mean it fucking dipshit fucking


To be continued? Fucking what? Just fucken finish it!


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Secondly how does the teacher being "fairly fuckable" change the situation? And yes, it's perfectly possible for your body to physically react to stimuli without your consent. Your body can be pretty damn stupid that way. Again, educate yourself before talking. It's not that hard to google resources.

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I wasn't implying anything about female on male rape.

Rape affects both genders. Since rape as "legally possible" as of the 90's, the reported rates of male victims of rape have been slowly climbing. Most legit studies and sources of abuse seem to indicate that this will probably level off at a 50/50 rate between the sexes.

What is also most quoted is that of rape victims, 40% are between 18 and 25. 40% are also younger than 18.

Here we have females being the perpetrators and males as the victims (I suppose I can toss you a bone and say "questionable victims"), reversing stereotypes, but still fitting the data.

What I'm saying is gender may not be the issue here, but the ages involved might be more of a concern.

I also originally quoted (take out here for brevety's sake), a comment about how the genders usually are, "if the victim is male, it's ok, but if it's a woman ZOMG!!!". which is a stereotype, which the quoted poster seemed to have a problem with and I concurred. It shouldn't matter the victim or aggressor's gender, and my comment was to reflect that it is a problem when it's nonconsensual, and that the issue is, again, not one of sex, but of age.

If you think the problem with rape is the age, you shouldn't have linked two cases where one of them was 18 years old and the other was " older than 16" so we can assume he's at least about to turn 18, so it's more like you can toss a bridge and not a bone when it comes to these dudes being victims, i don't know your gender, but you'll be lying if you tell me that at 15-18 more or less you weren't horny or at least thought about sex all the time.
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The cases in these two articles are statutory rape and if you meant that the teachers being fairly good looking makes it more likely that it was consensual sex that's only illegal by law then in these two very specific cases I agree somewhat. The law itself is sort of odd in this case to my eyes, though I can understand where it comes from as teacher do have a position of power over their students. Still to outright outlaw what would otherwise be considered okay, you might as well outlaw all workplace relationships between people who work in different parts of their company's hierarchy. Definitively the wrong way to go about protecting the kids imo.

With all that said, we still have a situation here which involves people in a position of power having intercourse with significantly younger people who they have power over. They can after all make their lives hell in many ways if they defy the teachers asking for sex. So with all that said, yes these could be cases where the kids consented, but even then it's hard to tell where consent starts and coercion ends in such cases. Just because there weren't any guns or ropes involves doesn't mean that people weren't forced to do things against their will btw. You don't need to point a weapon at someone to get them to do things they don't want to. There are much more subtle ways.

I was mainly responding to the second part of your statement before, not talking about these specific cases 'cause I misread your post to be talking about male rape in general.



See, i don't know about that, because the first one( the 37 year old teacher) there's barely any information besides the fact that they were having sex in the car and that the kid is older than 16, just like i was saying earlier, depending on the state 18 is legal right ? so because the kid is more or less 300 days younger than a 18 year, it is automatically rape ? a student holds absolutely no power over a teenage student, weren't you in highschool once in your life ? highschool teachers are one of the most powerless jobs, unless it was the teacher of one of the most prestigious schools in the country, i can see how the students would be shitting their pants not to get caught in a scandal and just agree with the teacher, but it seemed like both cases was just your average highscool, we don't know what the kid looked like, so it's hard to tell, but how often can a woman physically hold a 17-18 year old boy and fuck him by force ? i hate generalizing, but most highschool boys are sort of in their sexuality peak, they're overflown with hormones and testosterone, and the second case is even more ridiculous, the kid's 18, he owned a car, how much power does a highschool teacher have over you when if you're both found out, the student is instantly victimized and won't face any consequences, i get what you're saying that this kind of shit happens in the workplace and what not, or if the boys those teachers were having sex with were somewhere around the age of 10-12, i can see how you can easily manipulate and scare a 12 year old boy into doing what you tell him to do, but jesus, an 18 year old ? isn't it funny that he can enlist in the army, go overseas and kill people with a machine gun, but he's not allowed to have sex with his teacher ?


Yeah I agree with you that this law seems kind of weird. But as a European American laws with regards to the legal age for various things always seemed whack to me. I mean you can't drink till you're 21, but feel free to get in a car when your 16 or like you said join the army when you're 18 and potentially get your brains blown out. Just don't drink! Alcohol is eviiiil, evil we tell you!

But I digress, I'd say that when it comes to these two cases we have way too little information to judge what really happened. Teachers, though they have little actual power, can certainly feel powerful from a student's perspective. They did to me at least, but again way too little info to make a judgement here.
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Teachers and student relationships i have seen going on every since i started highschool. it doesn't seem like something new and when 15-18 years old it seems like an awesome idea to the average male student if the teacher is appealing. Though i cab't speak for the female side of this subject.


The reason why it is illegal is because the teacher is a person who could possibly be the most seen person by the student throughout the day, in some situations the student may look at the teacher as a parental figure when the student has no parent to look up to. Teachers are entrusted to teach the students and they could be the sole person that spends the MOST amount of time with said student, this could lead to corrupted coaching and "immoral" ways. A students mind considered by law is not fully developed and is susceptible to persuasion and ill mentoring.

in summary because a teacher can have an excessive part and influence in a students life, it could be seen the same as another person that has a large influence on their life such as an older sibling, parent, guardian.

It is generally seen as immoral because of these reasons and most of the world sees it the same way. Some consider it to be the same as incest, but in the light where genetics are not taken into incest but the amount of influence the older sibling / parent has on the child. basically falling into abuse of power category
Posted 1/26/15

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severticas wrote:


TomCraft wrote:

What the fuck is wrong with america. It not fucking okay to fucking fuck your teacher for fucking sake. I really mean it fucking dipshit fucking


To be continued? Fucking what? Just fucken finish it!


Fucking potato, I meant to say fucking potato.


Lool. Well the fwoken done.

Posted 1/26/15
If is consensual I pretend I did't see it . But if is not consensual. Well head will roll.
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Secondly how does the teacher being "fairly fuckable" change the situation? And yes, it's perfectly possible for your body to physically react to stimuli without your consent. Your body can be pretty damn stupid that way. Again, educate yourself before talking. It's not that hard to google resources.

Thank you.

Really. Thank you. :)

I wasn't implying anything about female on male rape.

Rape affects both genders. Since rape as "legally possible" as of the 90's, the reported rates of male victims of rape have been slowly climbing. Most legit studies and sources of abuse seem to indicate that this will probably level off at a 50/50 rate between the sexes.

What is also most quoted is that of rape victims, 40% are between 18 and 25. 40% are also younger than 18.

Here we have females being the perpetrators and males as the victims (I suppose I can toss you a bone and say "questionable victims"), reversing stereotypes, but still fitting the data.

What I'm saying is gender may not be the issue here, but the ages involved might be more of a concern.

I also originally quoted (take out here for brevety's sake), a comment about how the genders usually are, "if the victim is male, it's ok, but if it's a woman ZOMG!!!". which is a stereotype, which the quoted poster seemed to have a problem with and I concurred. It shouldn't matter the victim or aggressor's gender, and my comment was to reflect that it is a problem when it's nonconsensual, and that the issue is, again, not one of sex, but of age.

If you think the problem with rape is the age, you shouldn't have linked two cases where one of them was 18 years old and the other was " older than 16" so we can assume he's at least about to turn 18, so it's more like you can toss a bridge and not a bone when it comes to these dudes being victims, i don't know your gender, but you'll be lying if you tell me that at 15-18 more or less you weren't horny or at least thought about sex all the time.


I wasn't the OP.

And my numbers that I mentioned were about being under 18 and under 25. one student possibly is under 18, and both are definitely under 25.

Coercion is possible because of the societal and cultural structures. She's his teacher, which means she's his superior. Her age and her position would put her in a parental role, not a role of "equals". She tells him to do homework, or to go to the principal, he does it, because the relationship is one of implicit power for her over him.

Consent... That's where it gets tricky. The reason we have laws that dictate 18 as the age of consent is because of the way we rear our children, and that it is assumed, until you're 18 you aren't fully aware of the implications of what you are doing and the consequences. Unfortunately, our school systems and such are not very good at teaching this (see my previous comment, where I state that we tend to treat kids as "sacred" and put them in a protective bubble that, unfortunately does more harm than good by not preparing them for the rigeurs of the adult world).

As for being horny as hell at 15-18 (I was, but I actually got worse between 20-24, before settling a little bit), teaching our kids to control those impulses, or at least avoid situations with consequences like this, is important. As many people have been saying around the internets, being horny isn't an excuse... And it's not. (though often that's used as a justification for an offender.... Here it's the justification of the victim.. So weird...)

There's of course we'red details, but overall, the reason we have these laws is about protecting those without power, or those who cannot make fully informed decisions (meaning understanding the consequences of the decision).
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Yeah I agree with you that this law seems kind of weird. But as a European American laws with regards to the legal age for various things always seemed whack to me. I mean you can't drink till you're 21, but feel free to get in a car when your 16 or like you said join the army when you're 18 and potentially get your brains blown out. Just don't drink! Alcohol is eviiiil, evil we tell you!

But I digress, I'd say that when it comes to these two cases we have way too little information to judge what really happened. Teachers, though they have little actual power, can certainly feel powerful from a student's perspective. They did to me at least, but again way too little info to make a judgement here.


The reason the legal age is 21 is...... complicated.

Let's see if I can find the brief article on it.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/19437/why-drinking-age-21

Basically, there were lots of accidents with victims between the ages of 18 and 21, groups of mothers got pissed, the state tied highway funding to state legislation on a higher drinking age, the states complied, and the number of deaths within that age group went down.

Apparently 18-21 year olds were not able to make informed decisions about drinking and driving.

Which again, goes to what it means to be able to make an informed choice as an adult and how we teach out children.
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The second story in OP...

Not only was she a sex-ed teacher, she had a young family. That's fail on fail.
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casandra wrote:

Yeah I agree with you that this law seems kind of weird. But as a European American laws with regards to the legal age for various things always seemed whack to me. I mean you can't drink till you're 21, but feel free to get in a car when your 16 or like you said join the army when you're 18 and potentially get your brains blown out. Just don't drink! Alcohol is eviiiil, evil we tell you!

But I digress, I'd say that when it comes to these two cases we have way too little information to judge what really happened. Teachers, though they have little actual power, can certainly feel powerful from a student's perspective. They did to me at least, but again way too little info to make a judgement here.


The reason the legal age is 21 is...... complicated.

Let's see if I can find the brief article on it.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/19437/why-drinking-age-21

Basically, there were lots of accidents with victims between the ages of 18 and 21, groups of mothers got pissed, the state tied highway funding to state legislation on a higher drinking age, the states complied, and the number of deaths within that age group went down.

Apparently 18-21 year olds were not able to make informed decisions about drinking and driving.

Which again, goes to what it means to be able to make an informed choice as an adult and how we teach out children.


Thank you for the link, that was very enlightening.

Weird though that they raised the legal age back to 21 for drinking, but not for so many other things. To me it seems that if you're old enough to vote then surely you can decide what and how much to drink? It's a complicated issue and you're right, it does come back to age very often. There's no magical line you cross to become an adult, it's a gradual process which takes different people different amounts of time. And that makes it hard to legislate for in a system that deals in black and white, wrong or right distinctions.
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i always found it funny when its called rape but was consentual.
if the teacher is hot, then you consent, and it is not rape.
if i really was tied up and raped, and it was buy a hot chick, i would be considerably less pissed than if it was a guy.


Please don't say things like that. If a student is fuckable to you as an adult, something's wrong with you. Doesn't matter how good looking you think you are, there's a boundary you are responsible to not cross.
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never ment to imply i was okay with it, just that it isnt rape if both parties are okay with it, assuming age of consent or whaevter (16 to 18 in most places).
never met to imply i was okay with it, just that i don't see how its called rape if both are consenting and not mentally impared or something like that.

as for me presonally, yeah,some teenagers are hot i'll admit, but it something i would never do, legal or other wise. i see the line you mention and agree, but i just cant see it called rape, assuming the underager is of legal consent.
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This problem has been around for a while.
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But for real though....


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I wish a hot horny teacher would sleep with me...
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