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I know this a pretty sensitive topic, and full painful memories, but it is also a remainder for future generations that we have to learn tolerance and accept each other, and feelings of hatred lead to nothing
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Kinda sad there's a genocide or something going on with ISIL right now.
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pretty sad that more and more people subscribe to the thought process that made the holocaust possible, especially when our forefathers sacrificed so much to prevent it, they would be rolling in their graves.
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pretty sad that more and more people subscribe to the thought process that made the holocaust possible, especially when our forefathers sacrificed so much to prevent it, they would be rolling in their graves.


Maybe I'm just reading too much into the phrase "our forefathers", but are you suggesting that the US is becoming a Fascist society? It is among those states which can definitively be classified as "not totalitarian".
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not from the us
and by our forefathers i mean the collective of our forefathers, not only allied either.
people moved on and more or less collectively agreed that the holocaust was a crime, to a large extent it was also understood that the sentiment germany executed was one held in large parts of the world, by at least a substantial enough number of people for there to be mainstream satire.
so holding these group specific opinions(selectively and to an extent, prejudice has always been there) became taboo among pretty much everyone, people understood that even though germany went ahead and did it, then it probably wouldnt have happened in a vacuum, that taboo is losing its strength today.
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Posted 1/28/15
Anniversaries are the celebrations of past events like weddings, this is far from that. This is a memorial a reminder not to forget that things can get bad if not checked.
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oodain wrote:

not from the us


Well, that's why I asked. I admitted my assumptions outright and left them open to correction.


and by our forefathers i mean the collective of our forefathers, not only allied either.
people moved on and more or less collectively agreed that the holocaust was a crime, to a large extent it was also understood that the sentiment germany executed was one held in large parts of the world, by at least a substantial enough number of people for there to be mainstream satire.
so holding these group specific opinions(selectively and to an extent, prejudice has always been there) became taboo among pretty much everyone, people understood that even though germany went ahead and did it, then it probably wouldnt have happened in a vacuum, that taboo is losing its strength today.


Well, on the one hand there is the uptick in the legislative holdings of parties like Golden Dawn in some countries, and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe could be argued to be a tad too deep in nationalist waters and way too willing to pretend the offenses of Imperial Japan never happened. I mean, what he's done on the topic of "comfort women" is practically like a diplomat in some country in the FSU shrugging and saying "Gulags never existed. That's just something that was made up. Those people went to those camps voluntarily, they worked of their own accord, and it's their own fault if they had poor conditions since they were the ones setting up these communities."

On the other hand, openly Fascist (and especially neo-Nazi) political parties haven't been able to get a prime ministerial or cabinet position anywhere as far as I'm aware. The best they've been able to hope for is being a slightly larger group of loud-mouthed fools in parliament than in previous years (Golden Dawn has seized the number three spot in Greece's parliamentary holdings, but at the same time faces an enormous gap between their own holdings and the number two spot). Am I wrong in that, did I miss someone, somewhere? Please tell me I didn't miss someone, somewhere.
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Posted 1/28/15

BlueOni wrote:


oodain wrote:

pretty sad that more and more people subscribe to the thought process that made the holocaust possible, especially when our forefathers sacrificed so much to prevent it, they would be rolling in their graves.


Maybe I'm just reading too much into the phrase "our forefathers", but are you suggesting that the US is becoming a Fascist society? It is among those states which can definitively be classified as "not totalitarian".



well, usa from today is very different from usa of 1938.
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well, usa from today is very different from usa of 1938.


Undoubtedly. The pivotal question, however, is whether the present-day US is a Fascist society or on its way to becoming one. My contention is that it is neither.
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Didn't realize Auschwitz was a place when I first read this,
No offense to this topic, but it's been over 70 years now- I wish people could move on.

I realize that you have to learn from your mistakes, but I'm sick of hearing about Hitler and his Nazi references. You're not bashing him, you're making him a legend- a living abomination the people of the Concentration Camps wanted to forget. Don't try to remember who he is or how much of a douche-bag he was, forget the damn thing and don't give him another light in this generation, he doesn't deserve to exist in the minds of your very own.
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Didn't realize Auschwitz was a place when I first read this,
No offense to this topic, but it's been over 70 years now- I wish people could move on.

I realize that you have to learn from your mistakes, but I'm sick of hearing about Hitler and his Nazi references. You're not bashing him, you're making him a legend- a living abomination the people of the Concentration Camps wanted to forget. Don't try to remember who he is or how much of a douche-bag he was, forget the damn thing and don't give him another light in this generation, he doesn't deserve to exist in the minds of your very own.


When Hitler mentioned his plans for the Jews to his generals, he said something very similar in principle. They told him the world wouldn't allow it. He replied, "Who remembers the Armenian Genocide?" The answer at the time was no one.

Well, Hitler was right on the money. The world did let him do it. It would be a shame to let the bastard be right again by forgetting the Holocaust. Because once we forget about these things, we become much more likely to repeat past mistakes. We investigate and learn from the past for a reason.
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Posted 1/28/15
No Remember/Learn Past Doomed Repeat
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Posted 1/28/15

BlueOni wrote:


oodain wrote:

not from the us


Well, that's why I asked. I admitted my assumptions outright and left them open to correction.


and by our forefathers i mean the collective of our forefathers, not only allied either.
people moved on and more or less collectively agreed that the holocaust was a crime, to a large extent it was also understood that the sentiment germany executed was one held in large parts of the world, by at least a substantial enough number of people for there to be mainstream satire.
so holding these group specific opinions(selectively and to an extent, prejudice has always been there) became taboo among pretty much everyone, people understood that even though germany went ahead and did it, then it probably wouldnt have happened in a vacuum, that taboo is losing its strength today.


Well, on the one hand there is the uptick in the legislative holdings of parties like Golden Dawn in some countries, and Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe could be argued to be a tad too deep in nationalist waters and way too willing to pretend the offenses of Imperial Japan never happened. I mean, what he's done on the topic of "comfort women" is practically like a diplomat in some country in the FSU shrugging and saying "Gulags never existed. That's just something that was made up. Those people went to those camps voluntarily, they worked of their own accord, and it's their own fault if they had poor conditions since they were the ones setting up these communities."

On the other hand, openly Fascist (and especially neo-Nazi) political parties haven't been able to get a prime ministerial or cabinet position anywhere as far as I'm aware. The best they've been able to hope for is being a slightly larger group of loud-mouthed fools in parliament than in previous years (Golden Dawn has seized the number three spot in Greece's parliamentary holdings, but at the same time faces an enormous gap between their own holdings and the number two spot). Am I wrong in that, did I miss someone, somewhere? Please tell me I didn't miss someone, somewhere.


i think you are pretty much on the money.
we have several places in Europe where outright Nazism does exist, sometimes in outspoken ways, but you are right there is still plenty of sentiment against it as well.
what truly scares me is that any political party with these leanings can survive, in any way, as it bears witness to what a population will allow, or at least a significant enough number will allow.
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Posted 1/28/15
its critcial we dont forget just how bad humanity can be. and its not nazi's or communist. could be americans next time. there is nothing fundamentally different from usa today and germany in 1935... people let this happen. the avrage joe let this happen.
thats why we must never forget get what happens when we let bad men lead us.

or something like that.
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