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// I love Toonami, but it's true that it's not as exciting as it was before. The first thing they need to do is break the Funi-opoly that controls them because almost all titles on Toonami are from Funimation. They need new and old titles from Viz Media and also Sentai Filmworks which if I'm correct hasn't had one title on Toonami since it returned. Some of Sentai's titles could easily bring in viewers: High School of the Dead, Clannad, Angel Beats, etc. An earlier start time wouldn't hurt and also possibly changing the format to three hours (six shows) or four hours (eight shows) because it's better to have a high consistent viewer rating all the way through then to have high viewer ratings at certain times.
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Toonami has had a horrible habit of only putting on shonen anime, there is no variety as of late.
Kill la kill is the exception

Horrible once a week time slot
All action, no romance, no comedy, and no slice of life.

The advent of CR heralded the end of Toonami.
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I personally just don't stay up that late anymore so don't watch it.
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2. Nanoha Takamachi(Or Haruka Nishida)
3. Or maybe this concept called "streaming".
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dbz is the worst dub ever. anyone with colored skin sounds like a muppet
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I'd be curious to see what the rating were back in it was waaaay back in the day when the late night anime block wasn't Toonami and wasn't shonen. I'm talking back when the schedule was all over the place where one night might have Milk Chan, Paranoia Agent, Samurai Champloo, Eureka Seven, and then Ghost in the Shell. Everyone says that airing nothing but shonen (which is what Toonami always was but what the Saturday anime block wasn't) hurts it but I wonder if that actual numbers really show that to be fact or fiction?


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// I love Toonami, but it's true that it's not as exciting as it was before. The first thing they need to do is break the Funi-opoly that controls them because almost all titles on Toonami are from Funimation. They need new and old titles from Viz Media and also Sentai Filmworks which if I'm correct hasn't had one title on Toonami since it returned. Some of Sentai's titles could easily bring in viewers: High School of the Dead, Clannad, Angel Beats, etc. An earlier start time wouldn't hurt and also possibly changing the format to three hours (six shows) or four hours (eight shows) because it's better to have a high consistent viewer rating all the way through then to have high viewer ratings at certain times.


I wonder if it's really a Funimation monopoly or if it's that they cut the best deals and generally have the best shows that fit the market (I can't even think of an action shonen series that Sentai has). Anyways, from what you listed, I think Highschool of the Dead is the obvious choice with it's carnage, "bad ass" attitude, and good visuals. Not to mention that there is a zombie craze right now and they should capitalize on that before it ends. Angel Beats is a maybe and Clannad is a definite hell no. I couldn't see that getting the time of day even when the Saturday block was airing non-shonen stuff.


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For me the main reason is that i don't like their English dub versions
i like it better with subs and why wait for one week when i have CRUNCHYROLL
and i could just connect my laptop to my TV with a freaking HDMI cable jaja


I, again, have to question this attitude of "Why wait a week?" when that's exactly what everyone here does when watching shows that are simulcasting. :|


Because on Toonami you're waiting a week for something that has been out for months to years and is readily available to watch in its entirety elsewhere. The only exception to that was Space Dandy. Additionally, unlike a streaming site, it's not possible to "miss" a broadcast. Naruto might go live on Crunchyroll at 8 AM on Thursday but it's not like if you show up at 8:30 AM, you have to wait weeks/months/never for a rerun to air. You can just start watching it whenever you want.
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The streaming excuse is not an excuse because they have the shows on their website. http://www.adultswim.com/videos/
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Judgementwolf wrote:

Toonami has had a horrible habit of only putting on shonen anime, there is no variety as of late.
Kill la kill is the exception

Horrible once a week time slot
All action, no romance, no comedy, and no slice of life.

The advent of CR heralded the end of Toonami.


Kill la Kill is shonen you know.
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ta11ey wrote:

The streaming excuse is not an excuse because they have the shows on their website. http://www.adultswim.com/videos/


Have you checked out the site? Just on it's own, there's only two episodes of Naruto Shippuden available to stream. Ghost in the Shell is missing about 4/5 of the episodes per season.

Posted 1/28/15
Just stopped for some reason. I guess I just got tired of staying up to watch their lineup. Haven't actually watched Toonami in years.
Posted 1/28/15
I guess variety and time. I don't feel like staying up late to watch all shonen and re runs. Not enough new shows like Space Dandy. I actually bothered to watch Toonami when Space Dandy had new episodes.
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ta11ey wrote:


Judgementwolf wrote:

Toonami has had a horrible habit of only putting on shonen anime, there is no variety as of late.
Kill la kill is the exception

Horrible once a week time slot
All action, no romance, no comedy, and no slice of life.

The advent of CR heralded the end of Toonami.


Kill la Kill is shonen you know.


I thought manga was but the genre that anime fit was action, comedy, ecchi, and school. Even if it is a shonen it still has comedy and school genres. Most toonami shows don't have those.
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I just looked at the titles that Sentai has and the only ones that could fit is High School of the Dead and BTOOOM!. Maybe even Watamote.

Another show that could fit in Toonami is Magi. Since there is already some Aniplex shows on Toonami, it definitely has a pretty good chance of appearing on Toonami. There is also Fate/Zero but the problem with that show is that its dialogue heavy which would turn off some viewers. That's probably why Durarara aired only once on AS four years ago.

I enjoy Toonami, but I wish there were some variety of shows.

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i love toonami but they need new shows and the time they put on i would like them to on more anime for girls
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Toonami might have had a revival, but all in all its been dead compared to its former self. I never would have considered its reboot a "revival." Much of it indeed has to do with the arrival of the internet and streaming options. But I would argue most of it has to do with how it has handled itself. For me, Toonami has sucked since around 2005. To illustrate my point, I'll talk about what made Toonami great in my book.

I remember Toonami back when Moltar was still the host. Toonami used to run 7 days a week. Monday-Friday had two time slots: 3pm - 6 pm cst and midnight. The afternoon slot was aimed at a younger audience and thus was censored more. The midnight segment, known as Midnight Run, ran episodes of shows like Outlaw Star, Gundam Wing, DBZ, etc. all uncut. The weekdays were the days new episodes were aired, unless we were waiting on a new season of a show. On Saturdays and Sundays, Rising Sun was their segment. It ran four hours, from like 8 am to 12 pm, if I remember correctly. Rising Sun was generally subpar in my book, because it was usually almost always repeats. Although they occasionally had some pretty good movies airing. These movies would also occasionally air on Fridays too.

So what caused Toonami to fall? Well, the biggest factor imo was the fact they started to mix shows like Batman Beyond and Justice League into their lineup. Toonami always had a small element of non-anime titles, but what made it take off was its focus on anime. When they started to move away from that, then it took away from the allure of it all. This also likely took away from their imperative to acquire newer and more recent titles. With the internet rising to more and more prominence, people lost patience and looked elsewhere.

Next, was their pulling of Rurouni Kenshin. They never finished airing the show, because parents complained it was too violent. It was ridiculous because it was a show about a swordsman with an oath never to kill again. But Toonami caved and it pretty much forshadowed a more disastrous decision on Cartoon Network's part, which I talk about next.

The biggest blow, however, was the fact that Toonami became a weekend-only deal eventually. They replaced the segment on Mon-Fri with some shit you would expect to see on Nickelodeon. At that point, I just stopped watching, and I haven't watched since.

There were other issues of course, such as having Adult Swim also contain anime content. They should have just grouped all the segments of anime together as Midnight Run, and then have that as a segment of Adult Swim. Last, but not least, I think Toonami should have attempted a subtitled segment for their program. That would have cut the costs and the delay times to air new shows. Granted, who knows how well it would have been received.

A lot of these key problems remain. Toonami airs like once a week still, if I recall correctly. They haven't tried to do anything with subs either. I think they should at least try it. The hours are more insane than ever now anyways too. Hardly anyone stays up so late. Not only that, they are still reducing their time segments: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/new-toonami-schedule-removes-attack-titan-programming-reduced-time-410784

As is, Toonami just doesn't offer anything to compete with the internet streaming options these days.
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