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Post Reply Do you feel ecchi/harem shows are killing the anime fandom?
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This is something ive been thinking for a little while now - The amount of ecchi/harem shows is killing the anime industry.
I actually like harem/ecchi stuff and I dont mind random magical school stuff, but surely there are other genres out there!?
Every announcement coming out about an upcoming show seems to be some sort of lolicon harem thing.

I know that these shows are obviously popular, but what about everyone who doesn't like it? And what about all the outsiders who seem to thing anime is just porn?

At the minute these production companies only seem to want to produce this type of anime, which leads to the popular opinon that there are no good animes being made any more...

Am I being too cynical or does anyone agree with me?

I'd love to hear your thoughts
Posted 1/30/15
You're overly cynical. Masturbatory fantasies have always exist one way or another in the anime kingdom. There were bath scenes, there were GAR fantasies, etc.
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I can see your point that they might be over doing it they should start mixing it up a bit more but I don't know I'm pretty easy to please and I don't mind it to much if its a good ecchi/harem to me the problem is lately they havnt been all to good
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As long as you have humans you will have porn. People pornifying Disney has not killed Disney. Nor has naughty films/books/songs/poems killed those forms of creativity. Like everything there is good and bad examples of any art. For ecchi/harem shows I found High School DxD (subbed) to be very good despite being ecchi/harem. But I will admit that the English language version is very bad as the female writers went way over the top to make it even more ecchi and equally as bad as the subbed was good.

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There has always been ecchi/harem in anime(or what some people call Fanservice), In fact i feel they censor it more now.
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I enjoy some ecchi and harem titles, but it does seem a little bit like overkill sometimes, what with the 'guy with magical powers attracts tsundere, taciturn loli, childhood friend, etc' shows. I must have at least a dozen or more of these in my various queues, and, while its undoubtedly fun to dip into them sometimes, it's hard to take them seriously, and watching them grows extremely tiresome after a while. I always have to balance them out with more serious fare.
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I think that there are to many ecchi/harem anime and it draws a lot of attention away from anime that has a good "storyline" and character development. I mean sure who doesn't like a harem or ecchi anime every once in a while if ecchi/harem is your thing then that's fine but i do think that it's hurting the anime community. I don't think it's killing anime but i would like to see a variety of anime not just fanservice and loli's everywhere.
Posted 1/30/15 , edited 1/30/15

Scooty-Bby wrote:

This is something ive been thinking for a little while now - The amount of ecchi/harem shows is killing the anime industry.
I actually like harem/ecchi stuff and I dont mind random magical school stuff, but surely there are other genres out there!?
Every announcement coming out about an upcoming show seems to be some sort of lolicon harem thing.


How is it killing the Anime industry though? These shows are easy to make and bring in some guaranteed money without too much effort, just look at this seasons World Break, which is a show clearly nobody gave a fuck about being good. But it pays the bills. A lot of studios who make a lazy Ecchi show one season, put out one of the seaons best the next one. Heck, even Arms brought us Maoyuu Maou Yuusha.
While there may be an abundance of Irregular at special people High School Battle Harems (yes, that is a genre now, I blame Infinite Stratos) these days, that is mostly because those have sold well in the past and are there to make a quick buck for the studio. It's rarely where the focus lies (if your name isn't 8-bit, that is), which shows in the production quality a lot of the times.


Scooty-Bby wrote:

I know that these shows are obviously popular, but what about everyone who doesn't like it?


Watch ... something ... else? You do know that there are at least twenty Anime coming out every season that aren't Harem or Ecchi?


Scooty-Bby wrote:

And what about all the outsiders who seem to thing anime is just porn?


Why care about them? If people want to think that Anime is just porn, let them. They are the ones missing out.


Scooty-Bby wrote:

At the minute these production companies only seem to want to produce this type of anime, which leads to the popular opinon that there are no good animes being made any more...


The only people who say that are the ones that don't watch much Anime to begin with. This season has a lot of potentially good Anime. Death Parade, Durarara!!, Junketsu no Maria (Ecchi, only subgenre though), Yatterman, Kimi Uso, even Rolling Girls are all ambitious titles that have the potential to be remembered as great once they finish. And last season wasn't bad either, it had a lot of standout titles like Bahamut, Mushishi or YuYuYu. Heck, 2014 was one of the best years in Anime that I can remember right now. So screw those people who tell you that there is nothing good coming out these days, there are plenty of good Anime to go around each season.
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What I've found is that nine times out of ten, when ecchi isn't part of the genre it's not that invasive... more or less... Keep in mind that there are plenty of anime that leave that sort of stuff out. Think of harem/ecchi anime like the music industry. Sure, generic pop music is what popular and sells, and it's easy to look at the charts, see the crap people like, and claim all music sucks, but if you look a little deeper, you'll find things that deviate from the usual mass produced nonsense, and actually sound pleasant. Likewise, sure, harems and ecchi anime are running pretty rampant, but there are also a lot of really good anime that don't deal with gratuitous panty shots, physics defying, bouncing boobs, or standard tropes of girls surrounding one personality-challenged protagonist... I don't know where that analogy came from.

At any rate, while it doesn't look like harems or ecchi anime are going to be slowing down any time soon, there are still plenty of other other anime to watch that leave a lot of aspects of those genres out. Think of anime as your diet. Junk food is great every once in a while, but you need to consume some quality food, too, to balance it out... You need a healthy, balanced anime diet... Everything in moderation... I'll... I'll stop now.
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Posted 1/30/15
Not really. Fads come and go. Just ignore it if you don't like it.
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How do you suppose they are killing anything?
If creators have any integrity whatsoever, they won't sacrifice good ideas over a quick fizz of popularity in their ratings for something less invested.

Of course some people will aspire to write and create ecchi/harem anime because of its popularity, but I can assure you that the original stuff will be created as well.
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If we're talking about Japan, shows where ecchi/harem elements are the primary focus aren't actually that popular. I don't have the link anymore, but I found a list of the best-selling anime of the past decade, and most of them were shows where, if they did have those, they were either overshadowed or simply not prevalent. For example, Madoka Magica, which had minimal fanservice and only a love triangle between one main character and two supporting ones, broke 100,000 in sales, while To Love-ru, which has an expanding harem and a protagonist who finds himself in ecchi situations all the time, I'm pretty sure didn't even get 10,000. And I don't remember other shows where such would be prominent getting that high in the charts, so I wouldn't say they're that popular to begin with, let alone being the big issue with the anime industry.
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I am a fan of shows like Irregular at Magic Highschool, Strike the Blood, and I even like Infinite Stratos. However I can see where you are coming from.

This season has been highly saturated with harem shows that aren't quite up to par with those. When watching Unlimited Fafnir yesterday I wanted to stab every character repeatedly because of how cliche and generic they were acting. You have to have something that makes your show standout.

Irregular had the super OP main character, which isn't rare, but they made it rare by thinking up new ridiculous ways for him to be OP.

Strike the Blood just threw everything into the mix with over the top villains, over the top battles, over the top chicks, it had the appeal of a Michael Bay movie in anime form.

Infinite Stratos completely threw its plot away, but it had interesting characters. The main character was a harem lead, but they made his personality so non-intrusive that it was extremely easy to insert yourself. Because of this all of the girls' personalities shined, and it almost felt like a dating sim, where you play as a guy literally all the girls are fighting over.

If you want a hilarious one check out Ben-To. It's about a club that has all girls and one buy, HOWEVER, what the club is about is beating people up at the Super Market to get dibs on discount food! The action is surprisingly good, and the show is hilarious.

Unfortunately most of the shows this season are the simple ass formula of : Hey main character you are special, here have some girls! "I fight for my friends blah blah blah blah blah."

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