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Post Reply Do you feel ecchi/harem shows are killing the anime fandom?
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Well, yeah, if you take any show's fanservice out of context it looks like an ecchi romp fest. However, in Fafnir's case these moments are not very much; at least as I'm recalling. It's certainly no High School DxD where the focus is constantly on ecchi, that's for sure. It's mostly used for comedy purposes. In Cross Ange's case the fanservice moments are played for laughs as well most of the time and shock factor the rest. Not saying either does them well, mind you, but someone's laughing at that stuff in Japan or they would not be throwing it in there for comedy. Additionally, these shows would have ecchi tags on CR or MAL if they were truly ecchi and not just occasional fanservice moments. Again, that's conflating the two and they are separate things.
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Unless the story in harem/ecchi anime takes a very drastic turn for the better I don't think the rest of the medium is in any danger. Shows like IS and Highschool DxD are entertaining and they definitely appeal to viewers more base desires but people would get bored if every show was built around too short skirts and exploding tops.

Harem/ecchi animes seem to be more common but part of that just has to do with how easy they are to make. Story is probably the hardest part of a good anime and story is the one area in harem/ecchi anime where people are the most lenient. As a result it makes sense that there would be 2 or 3 harem/ecchi anime for every story-based anime in other genres.


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I am a fan of shows like Irregular at Magic Highschool, Strike the Blood, and I even like Infinite Stratos. However I can see where you are coming from.



I don't think Irregular at Magic Highschool can really be counted as a harem anime like those other two. It's a little vague if you only watch the anime but the light novels make it pretty clear that Tatsuya is more or less incapable of feeling strong attachment(basically this means love) to anyone other than his sister. I don't think it's a harem if the MC has no sexual or romantic feelings whatsoever for any of the harem members.
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Well, yeah, if you take any show's fanservice out of context it looks like an ecchi romp fest. However, in Fafnir's case these moments are not very much; at least as I'm recalling. It's certainly no High School DxD where the focus is constantly on ecchi, that's for sure. It's mostly used for comedy purposes. In Cross Ange's case the fanservice moments are played for laughs as well most of the time and shock factor the rest. Not saying either does them well, mind you, but someone's laughing at that stuff in Japan or they would not be throwing it in there for comedy. Additionally, these shows would have ecchi tags on CR or MAL if they were truly ecchi and not just occasional fanservice moments. Again, that's conflating the two and they are separate things.


Fan service is almost always "Played for laughs" so to speak. Its really just an excuse for it. I sincerely doubt anyone is actually laughing at the 14,392th time one character has just coincidentally tripped/fallen/landed onto another character's bosom and/or crotch. Its a trope for a reason. >.>

If it can't be waved off as trying to "play for laughs" then it becomes serious. If it becomes serious then the show either A ) Becomes porn or B ) Becomes sexual assault / seriously creepy as shit ( Cross Ange ep 1 ). Hence its almost always excused as an attempt at a joke.

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Yeah it's a huge problem to me.

Sometimes i wonder why i even watch anime when i see loli ecchi anime are getting massproduced. I recently saw the first episode of Isuca, and at that point i really considered dropping anime for good, but every now and then there are gems that comes out from nowhere and actually gives me hope enough to continue digging through the trash...

The monogatari series is one of the few ecchi series i actually enjoyed throughly. It was natural to accept it as part of the series, because it's so concious of it's own ecchiness. Monogatari series without ecchi wouldn't be monogatari.
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Yeah, thats kind of the worst part for me. When a show seems half way decent or promising but then has fan service inserted for the sake of T&A. Like they're too afraid to let the show stand on the merits of its writing/characters so they add pantsu for whatever weird basement otaku only watches every show for pantsu.
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Yeah, thats kind of the worst part for me. When a show seems half way decent or promising but then has fan service inserted for the sake of T&A. Like they're too afraid to let the show stand on the merits of its writing/characters so they add pantsu for whatever weird basement otaku only watches every show for pantsu.


I dunno, fanservice in and of itself (or ecchiness in and of itself) doesn't detract for me unless it's truly egregious. Maybe its just desensitization though, yer always sort of 'huh', then move on.
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Latelly yes, i consider it so.
Its a total shame because this types of series fells automaticly into a not transendent or iconic series, its just "another ecchi/harem" and they are correct.
It provides nothing to the anime industry and sometimes it even fails to itself, when stupid sun beams, steam or even more ridiculous and obvious lines of censorship appear, one would ask themselves when they see that "why bother to make it an ecchi if you are going to censor it?!" and you know why? because all ecchi/harem are money grabing stuff, you will have to buy the DVD/BR to get the censor-lite version; that what an ecchi is.

Why im trying to say is, this types of shows rely to much in the erotic/comedic situations so it does not provide any views on the genre, its all the same storytelling with some minor chances to it, that you can even tell how is going to unfold and end (IF IT ACTUALLY ENDS), the Heroine of the show will always be the chosen from the protagonist but he will always get other 4/5 girls.


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Fan service is almost always "Played for laughs" so to speak. Its really just an excuse for it. I sincerely doubt anyone is actually laughing at the 14,392th time one character has just coincidentally tripped/fallen/landed onto another character's bosom and/or crotch. Its a trope for a reason. >.>

If it can't be waved off as trying to "play for laughs" then it becomes serious. If it becomes serious then the show either A ) Becomes porn or B ) Becomes sexual assault / seriously creepy as shit ( Cross Ange ep 1 ). Hence its almost always excused as an attempt at a joke.



Not saying either does them well, mind you, but someone's laughing at that stuff in Japan or they would not be throwing it in there for comedy.


It's important to consider the culture in which anime gets made and realize sex comedy is a thing there, as foreign as that may be to a large part of the West. It must be something Japanese fans appreciate or it would not be so ingrained in anime since it would hurt sales then I'd think. Mind you, I'm not saying I like it all or don't grow tired and annoyed with a lot of tropes, because I do, just that it seems to be a popular thing in Japan is all.
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Nah, CA is not ecchi. It's not tagged as such on CR or MAL and I agree with that assesment. It has fanservice for sure but it is more used for shock factor than to be sexy.


See Above. >.>


Without having seen CA, if that alone means it's Ecchi, then so are a lot of other shows, Code Geass for example, which pretty much invented the Mecha ass cam. As said before, I haven't seen Cross Ange, but for something to qualify as an Ecchi show, sexuality has to be a focal point of the show. Only because there is a little bit of fanservice in there doesn't mean it's Ecchi.
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Fan service is almost always "Played for laughs" so to speak. Its really just an excuse for it. I sincerely doubt anyone is actually laughing at the 14,392th time one character has just coincidentally tripped/fallen/landed onto another character's bosom and/or crotch. Its a trope for a reason. >.>

If it can't be waved off as trying to "play for laughs" then it becomes serious. If it becomes serious then the show either A ) Becomes porn or B ) Becomes sexual assault / seriously creepy as shit ( Cross Ange ep 1 ). Hence its almost always excused as an attempt at a joke.



Not saying either does them well, mind you, but someone's laughing at that stuff in Japan or they would not be throwing it in there for comedy.


It's important to consider the culture in which anime gets made and realize sex comedy is a thing there, as foreign as that may be to a large part of the West. It must be something Japanese fans appreciate or it would not be so ingrained in anime since it would hurt sales then I'd think. Mind you, I'm not saying I like it all or don't grow tired and annoyed with a lot of tropes, because I do, just that it seems to be a popular thing in Japan is all.


We do have films like that in the West too, it's like Cheerleader Camp 7 or Another another ANOTHER summer movie!!!

The market vectors are similar if not quite the same (the Japan ones seem to swerve more Geek than our Late Night Comedies)
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hell no. i love harrems. there are far more non harrem anime released every season than harrem anime. if u don't ike it watch something else.
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Without having seen CA, if that alone means it's Ecchi, then so are a lot of other shows, Code Geass for example, which pretty much invented the Mecha ass cam. As said before, I haven't seen Cross Ange, but for something to qualify as an Ecchi show, sexuality has to be a focal point of the show. Only because there is a little bit of fanservice in there doesn't mean it's Ecchi.


Trust me, its just the tip of the iceberg with CA. Literally and figuratively <cough>

Tusk is basically an extra pair of Ange's underwear at this point.



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It's important to consider the culture in which anime gets made and realize sex comedy is a thing there, as foreign as that may be to a large part of the West. It must be something Japanese fans appreciate or it would not be so ingrained in anime since it would hurt sales then I'd think. Mind you, I'm not saying I like it all or don't grow tired and annoyed with a lot of tropes, because I do, just that it seems to be a popular thing in Japan is all.


Well, my point wasn't that it wasn't popular. Just that comedy is the excuse for it, not the point of it. The point of it is T&A. Its not like the West doesn't have similar tropes/excuses for T&A. Its just that the prevailing excuse in anime is as a "joke". Part of the reason its become so engrained as a "joke" is also likely Japanese censorship laws. Its the go to way to get T&A on TV while technically complying with the censorship rules.
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I'm seeing more and more people only watch Ecchi/Harem anime's and ignore anything else, getting into anime only for these particular ones

There's nothing wrong with that, but im seeing more hate towards Otaku/Weebs being pervs coming back imo
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Unfortunately most of the shows this season are the simple ass formula of : Hey main character you are special, here have some girls! "I fight for my friends blah blah blah blah blah."


I've been feeling this way about the current season too. I love haren and ecchi shows. But the majority of this seasons shows in this genre seem to have been written by someone plugging values into a formula. The shows that are harem and/or ecchi that I think are at least decent this season are:
Saekano - It seems to be taking some interesting twists.
Isuca - This may be influenced by the fact that I have read the manga
Maria the Virgin Witch

But, others (like Unlimited Fanir and World Break) are just to formulaic.

As to sales, I think the current crop are easy to sell at the front end. But, they do not have the long term sales potential of other shows. Businesses have a hard time looking beyond the next couple of quarters. Shows like Madoka, Angel Beats, and Clannad are more of a long term investment with a slow burn on sales.
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Well, yeah, if you take any show's fanservice out of context it looks like an ecchi romp fest. However, in Fafnir's case these moments are not very much; at least as I'm recalling. It's certainly no High School DxD where the focus is constantly on ecchi, that's for sure. It's mostly used for comedy purposes. In Cross Ange's case the fanservice moments are played for laughs as well most of the time and shock factor the rest. Not saying either does them well, mind you, but someone's laughing at that stuff in Japan or they would not be throwing it in there for comedy. Additionally, these shows would have ecchi tags on CR or MAL if they were truly ecchi and not just occasional fanservice moments. Again, that's conflating the two and they are separate things.



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