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Posted 2/23/15 , edited 2/23/15
There have been decades of a record number of people creating emissions. We're talking BILLIONS of people.

This is a quantity that is so vast that people don't seem to really understand just how much is necessary to support this number of people. It is a quantity so large that it has become difficult to understand. Common sense dictates, even without scientific proof, that this humongous population and its waste will affect the environment in the long run.

We've already greatly affected the water, the forests, the clean air, even noise and light. We've destroyed land itself, altered the geography of land itself, and gotten to a point in history where air pollution for certain entire cities was as bad as those endured by workers in a coal mine. How is global warming unbelievable amidst all this?

And then you have a consensus among scientists, who are probably much more qualified to say things than someone who believes every policy is for the purpose of lining the pockets of some rich dude somewhere. Compared to scientific analysis, this bald accusation should be what is unbelievable.
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Posted 2/23/15 , edited 2/23/15
It's not a consensus among all scientists. Consensus is not how science works anyway. That's how politics work.

Even with billions of people we could still fit all of them comfortably in a land area the size of Texas.

Amazing that we're arguing this in the middle of one the colder winters in recent times.
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Posted 2/23/15

AniMatsuri wrote:

It's not a consensus among all scientists. Consensus is not how science works anyway. That's how politics work.

Even with billions of people we could still fit all of them comfortably in a land area the size of Texas.

Amazing that we're arguing this in the middle of one the colder winters in recent times.


I think you misunderstand what "consensus" means. Consensus is not unanimity, it's general opinion.

And please don't run out the "it's cold outside!" argument. I shouldn't have to explain why that's ludicrous.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/2014-officially-hottest-year-on-record/
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Posted 2/23/15 , edited 2/23/15
Scientists work through peer review. I suppose it isn't consensus exactly but the basic principle is there. They agree that global warming is happening. And they are certainly better-equipped than the general public at providing an answer that isn't a basic accusation of conspiracy.

"Comfortable" is subjective. I'm fairly certain you can't "comfortably" fit the population of the world in Texas. Not by my standards anyway. Building up instead of across, sacrificing scenery and open spaces such as parks, having crowded roads, etc. The population of the world can fit in Texas but that doesn't include all the fixings they need to survive, like power plants, mines, landfills, pastures, and other facilities.

It might be a colder winter or even a record winter but that is not proof that there is no global warming. There are also record highs.You determine if warming occurs by looking at statistic averages and trends.
Posted 2/23/15 , edited 2/23/15
It'll be a cold day in hades when consumers stop purchasing chloroflurocarbons and other environmentally-unsafe materials. The same could be said of the use of non-biodegradeable materials like styrofoam containers and package buffers. As long as wasteful is cheaper, people won't learn or care about the harm they're doing to the environment, and many of the advocates for reduction are hypocrites, some of them are directly profiting in the manufacturing of those products.

As for OP's statement, its much hyped over and I'd rather not get involved in the politics of whether or not all whistleblowers are legit or not, I've better things to do with my time.
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Posted 2/23/15
I don't know how bad things will get, but I do know that the carbon dioxide levels are crazy high. Highest they have ever been.
(NASA website I used for a class) I do think we should try are best to decrease those lvls, and try to use greener sources of energy & power.
I think that would be a good thing just in general for the future and now.
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The idea is that the world is running out room and that's not true. That's what I meant about fitting the whole population of the world in Texas. Fact is in as few 50 years or less the population is expected peak and possibly take a down turn after that. World's population will stop growing in 2050: Study Even now some nations are like Japan and Italy's where population is already taking a down turn.

Years ago the general consensus was global cooling. Now it's global warming. Either way the projected bad things that are going to happen is usually 50 -100 years out so if it doesn't pan out like they say chances are good they won't be around to take the blame for their predictions.

So called green solutions seem to range from more costly light bulbs filled with dangerous gases to windmills that kill birds and which the biggest pushers usually won't put in their neighborhoods because they block their views. Then there are the failed solar companies that died even with billions of government money to propped them up and didn't exactly use the most environmentally safe methods to make their products anyway.

The links referring to CO2 overwhelming the plants didn't say how they got their conclusions. Though I doubt they went into a forest and pumped CO2 into it until go the results they report.
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The "global cooling" consensus is a myth. Even back then, the majority opinion was that the Earth was warming. It just so happened that the news media came across the small handful of cooling reports and ran with them.

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/01/the_myth_of_the_global_cooling_consensus.html

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/global-cooling-was-a-myth.html
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Think, the world did not start covered in roads,

its said the Amazon puts out 65% of total oxygen yet due to man its shrinking.

more animals are going as in no longer existing, global weather patterns have shifted,

wild life was found with PCB's a man made pollution in the Antarctic.

I think mankind is on a fine and just path for the future, I mean who needs things like clean air, water.

also please note the rate of leaking worldwide oil pipe lines into the oceans is also a man made mistake.

one could look at nuke power and get the idea of man made affects as well.
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How does research with heat vents have to do with polar ice cap melting?

I swear some of ya'll need to stop spouting unscientific nonsense.


Ice caps are at 1984 levels right now. Gore's predictions were as dim as the rest of him.
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geauxtigers1989 wrote:

The "global cooling" consensus is a myth. Even back then, the majority opinion was that the Earth was warming. It just so happened that the news media came across the small handful of cooling reports and ran with them.

http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/01/the_myth_of_the_global_cooling_consensus.html

http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/global-cooling-was-a-myth.html

One thing is sure: The media does blow things out of proportion. The comments to those articles are interesting too.

Found a interesting video: How the Global Warming Scare Began
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Posted 3/18/15
Climate change naturally occurs. But people are making it worse! We have the natural Greenhouse Effect and the Enhanced Greenhouse Effect.
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Climate change is as real as you and me
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Posted 2/8/16 , edited 2/8/16
I read these posts and then reflect upon the atmospheric damage or contribution Mt. St. Helens (1981) and Mt. Pinatubo (1991) has made compared to emissions put out by man. I feel the jury is still out whether men are affecting / effecting the environment or not. There are compelling arguments pro and con.
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Posted 2/8/16 , edited 2/8/16
I believe we contribute, much like the "methane emissions" of large dinosaurs did during their reign. Let us fart ourselves to a new world, though also with emmisions not of our bodies' makings. One way or another, however, Earth doesn't need us or any other species currently existing. This planet is self-sustaining. It doesn't give a shit about whether or not we or anything else goes extinct.

That said, I know there are people who use fear-mongering to their advantage, for personal gain. People do that. Would people use global warming? Absolutely.
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