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Post Reply What excuse do you have for not believing in macro evolution?
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Posted 2/2/15 , edited 2/8/15
Question towards all creationists. I know there are creationists on this forum, so I am asking them this simple question.

You realize creationism is not science right? Evolution is science. More specifically macro-evolution happens. We have genetic, physiological, anatomical and fossil record evidence of evolution. We can now prove that fish evolved into amphibians, amphibians into reptiles, reptiles into mammals, and mammals eventually evolved into man (who is also a mammal).

We know human beings evolved from monkeys, which evolved into apes, and then apes evolved into humans. In fact, humans are primates and a member of the ape family. We have genetic evidence that man has evolved from apes. We have fossil evidence that man evolved from more primitive apes (saying humans aren't apes is inaccurate because humans are apes). The physiological and anatomical evidence also shows this.

So what excuse do you have for not believing that human beings evolved from other animals? The evidence for macro-evolution aka the fact that animals and plants can evolve into different species is overwhelming. You can't possibly believe that it is more credible to believe that human beings were made in the image of God from mud?

What makes more sense? Humans being magically created from mud by God? Or the overwhelming scientific evidence that man evolved from other animals through hundreds of millions of years of evolution? I think the second statement makes much more sense.

Denying human evolution is as foolish as denying that the Earth is round. I believe many religious people deny evolution because they want to feel that human beings are superior to other life forms.

You can't say that human beings are superior to other animals, which have been around on Earth for much longer than us. Dinosaurs, for example, ruled the Earth for 160 million years. Homo Sapiens has only been around for only 200,000 years. So in terms of longevity, other species are definitely more successful than us. And you can't say humans are more successful than other animals because we have a large population. Insect species have much larger populations than human beings, so I guess by that criteria that means they are more successful than human beings. You can't say humans are superior to other animals because we can create computers, cars, TVs, the Internet, and airplanes. Why? It is because other animals don't need those tools, and they survive perfectly without them. Other animals can also survive in extreme climates that human beings can't possibly survive without technology. The list goes on. There is no way you can justify human beings being superior to other life forms.

Humans are not inferior or superior to other animals. We are animals. Just accept this fact. Making a distinction between human beings and animals is pointless and foolish because that denies our animal origins. The fact we evolved from fish and other organisms is undeniable. The science says it.

Creationism is foolish. It is as foolish as God belief. Maybe there exists a God, but I certainly don't believe he made us in his image. I don't believe a perfect God would make imperfect humans in his image.

I don't believe mankind needs to be fruitful and multiply like what the Bible says. There is already enough of us on this planet. We don't need to double population again . 7 billion human beings is a much higher population than the population of other similar-to-human sized animals. Imagine what the world would be like if there were 7 billion chimpanzees, gorillas, tigers, lions, leopards or deer? Are there anywhere near 7 billion of those similar-to-human sized animals? No. So why is it necessary for there to be more than 7 billion humans? Humanity has effectively become a cancer on this planet, which grows uncontrollably and killing its host, which is the Earth's biosphere. And when the biosphere dies, humanity dies with it. Unlike other animals, mankind's population grows uncontrollably, and mankind's survival depends on infringing on other species' survival. Unlike other animals, which live in harmony and balance with their ecosystem, mankind destroys the ecosystem he lives in for his own benefit and at the expense of all of the other species. So I guess that makes mankind inferior to all other life forms, contrary to the religious people who think mankind is superior to all other life forms?

And I believe the belief that human intellect is far superior to other life forms is vastly overrated. Other life forms have been demonstrated to be sentient, problem solve, have emotions and other have cognitive abilities that humans possess. Even in terms of intellect, mankind is no longer proven to be superior to other life forms.

So all of this I guess debunks traditional religious beliefs that mankind is superior to other life forms, that mankind is separate from nature or that mankind is somehow unique and different from other life forms. Going back to my original point, I still strongly believe that some religious people deny human evolution because they believe that God has made man in his image, and that human beings are somehow superior to other animals. This has been proven to be false.

That's just my two cents. I know a thing or two about religious people, and I think religious beliefs are mostly delusional.
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I'm just going to post saying that if you want a civil discussion, you went about it entirely wrong - starting from your third sentence, and it just went downhill from there.

Also ending on a low note. Great job all around, really.
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Repetition FTW!
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Yikes thats a long post
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Didn't know what it meant lol but now that I do I believe in it. Evolution is real!
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I'll be honest, I only skimmed through your post.

I will say though that you are wrong in thinking that humans evolved from monkeys. Humans and monkeys/apes share a common ancestor, but we did not evolve from them.

And also, I don't really understand your purpose. Do you think that, as condescending as your post is, you'll somehow be able change creationists minds? What are you trying to accomplish here?
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I don't like to call other people's beliefs retarded. Sure, do I think it is beyond illogical? Yes, but I can at least say it in a nicer way. I don't even use the word retarded unless it refers to a mentally disabled person with mental retardation.
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^true.


Basing on the idea of evolution, monkeys are like cousin of humans... we didn't evolve from monkeys e.e

edit: outposted xD I meant, what Lupeez said is true



Also, even if I am a Christian, I do believe in evolution as well and you know what, even without religion, even without the Bible telling you to "multiply", humans will still reproduce =.= your science also tells you that
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You didn't even try to behave yourself so I feel you don't even deserve a response but I will give one anyway.

You try to make out humans to not be special and then say that without the technology we wouldn't survive or compete. Well I will tell you right now that the technology too is part of natural selection. Humans aren't the only species who manipulate their surroundings to their advantage and we won't be the last.

So I ask you what goal are you hoping to achieve with this? Isn't your attempt at whatever it is you are trying to do in itself delusional?

(and for reference my religion is my own set of beliefs which undoubtedly include evolution)
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Because I'm a Christian. They're my beliefs. I don't shove my beliefs on you. Imagine if I made a directed towards atheists saying "WHY DON'T YOU BELIEVE IN GOD?! THAT'S JUST DUMB. ATHEISM IS DUMB. YOU'RE DUMB FOR NOT BELIEVING IN GOD." It's neither polite or nice. You shouldn't try to shove your beliefs on other people.
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Lupeez wrote:

I'll be honest, I only skimmed through your post.

I will say though that you are wrong in thinking that humans evolved from monkeys. Humans and monkeys/apes share a common ancestor, but we did not evolve from them.

And also, I don't really understand your purpose. Do you think that, as condescending as your post is, that it'll somehow change creationists minds? What are you trying to accomplish here?

Ok then creationism is unscientific. Happy now? It is unscientific. And I hope that doesn't offend anyone.
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I'm not religious so I don't care either way, but I am in the mood to play the devil's advocate so here goes.

You make a pretty poor case for evolution. There is a lot more to it than you have expressed, despite the length of your post, but for the sake of this I'll behave as though my only knowledge of evolution is what you laid out.

If the evidence for evolution is simply that different species share lineage and a common origin, it would not necessarily prove that they evolved naturally, it would be equally indicative of intelligent design. Design is generally evolutionary in that an initial concept is not often thrown out entirely, but is instead refined over a number of generations until the product is perfected or further refinement is not necessary or possible. These developmental changes can be very small to the point of being almost imperceptible or they can be immense, resulting in an almost completely unrecognisable variant which does all the same share the core features of the original prototype.

If a creator had applied basic industrial design methodology to creating life on earth, the methodology itself coupled with a lack of pruning the excess would explain away the evidence for evolution as you have expressed it.

No animal exists in harmony with it's surroundings, this is why deer culls are necessity and why populations of almost all wild animals fluctuate immensely. When food is plentiful their numbers rise rapidly, but when their numbers grow beyond what their environment can sustain, the majority of them die from starvation. People are no different, there have been countless famines and people (just like all other animals) continue to die from malnutrition.
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That got me: hook, line, and sinker.


Just a quick question, though; where is your decisive evidence that macro evolution actually exists in your post?
You state that Creationism is unscientific, but so is your own claim. I read nothing scientific that was actually backed up with proper evidence. Before I can say anything to this, I'd appreciate it if you could add some sources to your claim; if not, use facts that pertain to macro evolution itself instead the human exclusive points you repeated.




(trying so...so very hard not to troll...)
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AiYumega wrote:

Yikes thats a long post


They like to post long shit, disregard other posts, and rant on in longform as a "response".

I kinda want to be a troll and say "cause the bible sez so" but resisting the urge....

(I have misgivings about evolution as we presume it happened, but it's not to say I don't "believe" in it... I just have minor issues)
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