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Post Reply What excuse do you have for not believing in macro evolution?
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P.S. Discussing Evolution/Creation while listening to Journey is definitely a great way to spend some time.



Escape is the perfect feel good song.


That is indeed a great feel good song. I think most if not all of Journey's songs are very relaxing. There is just something about Steve Perry's voice that makes all the cares go away.
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Do you want to piss people off? Because this is exactly how you piss people off.

First of all, humans did not evolve from monkeys. We have a common ancestor but don't try to act all high and mighty when your information is wrong, lest you want to look incredibly foolish.

Second, for someone who doesn't believe humans are superior to other animals, you certainly like to talk down to others. Religion is not stupid for those who believe in it. Science and religion are simply incongruent at this moment. Science can neither prove nor disprove any aspect of religion but that doesn't make it any less relevant to those who choose to turn to religion.

Quite honestly, you speak with the same condescending attitude of those religious zealots you look down. Come back when you've outgrown your immaturity.

If you want to get some more information about the religion vs evolution debate, I would recommend this video form Nova. Much less inflammatory and it poses some interesting questions about the lines between religion, science and state.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HZzGXnYL5I


Well said, very well said.
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I'm not Christian at all, but I think one really interesting insight I came across while pondering evolution and Darwin's original works. The idea is that Christianity can't accept evolution as a theory not because of any "made in his image" claim but because the idea that there's not some original sin we all share from Adam and Eve negates Jesus' death on the cross as being significant.

As I understand Christian theology, Jesus' dies on the cross for the sins of everyone. He does this because everyone is basically tainted by sin. Sin that we inherit from Adam and Eve. And a being like a God couldn't possibly exist in the presence of the sinful. So some kind of punishment/penance is required. And Jesus' suffering allows that possibility.

With a notion like evolution, it's not that the notion of us being "created in his image" that disappears so much as the notion that we're somehow fallen that disappears. If humans have slowly developed or hundreds of thousands of years, where's that leave the original sin concept? No Adam and Eve unravels the reasoning behind Jesus' death on the cross, and the whole basis of Christianity.

This is likely the real reason evolution isn't accepted by Christian communities. It's because of the implications with original sin and what happens if the stories in genesis can't be believed. I'd be really curious at this point to see reactions of Judaism and Islam to evolution. i bet they're just a bit more accepting of the notion, in large part because their theology doesn't rely that much on the book of genesis.
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Kinda wish DesuMaiden would make a post about how much he likes porn, rather than this debating stuff. Would be a nice change of pace.
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Creationists are adorable, aren't they? They're like little, impenetrable time capsules that can cause generations worth of collateral damage.
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The amount of arrogance from this ignorant little fool astounding., but I'm not surprised, this is typical atheist behavior.


How dare you shitheads deny the existence of The Flying Spaghetti monster. If the Flying Spaghetti Monster did not exist, where did noodles come from? If you saw noodles in a bowl, would you not assume that there was an all-knowing, all-powerful being who designed those noodles? What do you think it more likely, that noodles came from chefs, or that they were birthed into being by the Flying Spaghetti monster? I know atheist are deficient when it comes to logic, but just try and think for a minute.

Stephen Fry, repent you fucking asshole!!!




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Damn dude, I'm an atheist and a very sciencey type person but even I get distracted too easily to read that whole OP.

So my response in support of evolution side: TL;DR there was probably no God to create stuff so the only explanation is evolution. It's the scientific way to explain it, saying God did it is simply denying science itself. That just seems like so plain and obvious, like duh.
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You could have said this post in a much less condecending way
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There is only one answer to this, "Harhui said it, I believe it, THAT SETTLES IT!"



Besides there is no such thing as macro-evolution it's micro all the way back,baby! A lot of small changes over time can look like a big change in the present.
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Besides there is no such thing as macro-evolution it's micro all the way back,baby! A lot of small changes over time can look like a big change in the present.

Punctuated equilibrium would beg to differ. ;)

"Macroevolution" is generally used somewhat synonymously with speciation, a concept creationists have a lot of difficulty with. They just can't grasp that there is no mechanism to stop evolution--if a journey of ten steps is possible, so is one of a thousand.

And that's what makes it so sad. They can readily accept both of the basic concepts of evolution--descent with modification and natural selection--and yet due to the mental blocks imposed by their superstition, they can't apply them.
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And I've a simple question for you, DM: why do you care what others believe? You post frequently, often seeking to incite confrontation through attacking personal belief systems. But why? Have you elevated the concept of "science" into its own faith which requires adherents and pursues conversion? If so, then congratulations upon corrupting your own professed ideals! If not, then I really don't understand all this continuing effort on your part. . .
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crazykl45 wrote:

I'm not Christian at all, but I think one really interesting insight I came across while pondering evolution and Darwin's original works. The idea is that Christianity can't accept evolution as a theory not because of any "made in his image" claim but because the idea that there's not some original sin we all share from Adam and Eve negates Jesus' death on the cross as being significant.

As I understand Christian theology, Jesus' dies on the cross for the sins of everyone. He does this because everyone is basically tainted by sin. Sin that we inherit from Adam and Eve. And a being like a God couldn't possibly exist in the presence of the sinful. So some kind of punishment/penance is required. And Jesus' suffering allows that possibility.

With a notion like evolution, it's not that the notion of us being "created in his image" that disappears so much as the notion that we're somehow fallen that disappears. If humans have slowly developed or hundreds of thousands of years, where's that leave the original sin concept? No Adam and Eve unravels the reasoning behind Jesus' death on the cross, and the whole basis of Christianity.

This is likely the real reason evolution isn't accepted by Christian communities. It's because of the implications with original sin and what happens if the stories in genesis can't be believed. I'd be really curious at this point to see reactions of Judaism and Islam to evolution. i bet they're just a bit more accepting of the notion, in large part because their theology doesn't rely that much on the book of genesis.


That's not really how it works.

http://www.newsweek.com/pope-franciss-remarks-evolution-are-not-controversial-among-roman-catholics-281115
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Wow now that was some extra reading.

Anyway, I never force my opinions or beliefs on anyway because I myself live in a glass house and I am not the ultimate judger. But I am proud to say I am a believer of Christ, I am a Christian and because of His covering I am saved. Sure I believed in evolution to get me through school but that is as far as I will take it. God gives us free will and you have to decide who and what you believe in bc your gonna have to deal with the outcome. Be nice everyone has their own convictions

Question: why do people answer these posts and not mine? All i asked people to do was answer this question: where does the manga pick up from the ending of an anime. I got 2 response
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I'm of the believe that science and creationism can go hand in hand, God put things there for us to discover, it's not one way or another.

But anyway, I accept evolution and I believe it happens, but basing an argument off of "fact" is a little naive. We will never know our true roots or creation, science isn't solid as we all know from our fluctuations in scientific theory ( adaptations of maps, solar systems, the world was flat and that was scientific fact). I like to believe we have it right this time but i'm not arrogant enough to think only my theory is the correct one. We could've come from an alien's butt for all we know.

A little respect goes a long way though. We may have different belief systems but you can't judge on what is right and wrong. Just accept someone has a different belief, respect that and move on.

I'm up for singing songs in a flower circle all holding hands. Who's with me? XD
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I'm cool with the flower circle thing. Can I bring beer?
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