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Posted 2/4/15 , edited 6/17/16
With multiple recent flash bugs and vulnerability found in the past weeks should the site ditch it and go for HTML5 .
Going with HTML5 would mean that the site would work better on mobile ( to the point of being able to view videos sort of making the Lack of HD on mobile less of an issue)
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Posted 2/4/15 , edited 6/17/16
I think it is still too early to completely eliminate the Flash player primarily due to recent changes in the world's most popular web browser, Chrome. Google, in its infinite wisdom, decided to alter the buffering state for HTML5 which has resulted in massive playback issues with HTML5-based content (I work for a company that provides a streaming service and our player is HTML5-first, Flash-fallback and the sheer number of reports and tickets based on HTML5 playback issues in Chrome is staggering).

Switching to HTML5-based players will introduce a whole host of additional problems, first and foremost is a massive influx of extremely unhappy customers that are using Chrome (which likely, a lot of them are). The ROI, at this point, is not worth it (in my opinion). Give it some time and I think it'd be okay.
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Posted 2/4/15
Asking for the non-IT people. Can you explain us what changing to html5 means?
Posted 2/4/15
Some how I don't think the EME model HTML5 adopted will prove anymore secure.
Posted 2/4/15 , edited 2/4/15

xeneria wrote:

Asking for the non-IT people. Can you explain us what changing to html5 means?


You don't need a separate plugin like Flash to play streaming videos, the functionality is integrated into the browser. I believe all the major browser have pretty much agreed to support H.264, some supporting additional formats.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#Browser_support
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Posted 2/4/15
Fully support html5. Those that use it seem to stream better and faster.
Posted 2/4/15 , edited 2/4/15
I haven't used HTML5 for videos yet except for on youtube and (I'm using firefox) it only goes to 720p on there. Then again I only use CR and youtube so
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Posted 2/4/15

_Proto_ wrote:

With multiple recent flash bugs and vulnerability found in the past weeks should the site ditch it and go for HTML5 .
Going with HTML5 would mean that the site would work better on mobile ( to the point of being able to view videos sort of making the Lack of HD on mobile less of an issue)


HTML5 doesn't allow you to protect your files in the same way as flash or other plug-ins does (or put DRM on your files), in other words if they hopped over to HTML5 without any Java or Flash running in the back then you'd be avail to right click on any and every video and download the video then and there... And that would piss the living crap put of licencors.

HTML5 was never intended for streaming services to use, it was suppose to make web development easier and more easy to handle on low-end devices like mobiles and tablets.

If they should change then they should go for Microsoft silverlight or something similar to that.. Or even better make their own plug-in like voddler.
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_Proto_ wrote:

With multiple recent flash bugs and vulnerability found in the past weeks should the site ditch it and go for HTML5 .
Going with HTML5 would mean that the site would work better on mobile ( to the point of being able to view videos sort of making the Lack of HD on mobile less of an issue)


HTML5 doesn't allow you to protect your files in the same way as flash or other plug-ins does (or put DRM on your files), in other words if they hopped over to HTML5 without any Java or Flash running in the back then you'd be avail to right click on any and every video and download the video then and there... And that would piss the living crap put of licencors.

HTML5 was never intended for streaming services to use, it was suppose to make web development easier and more easy to handle on low-end devices like mobiles and tablets.

If they should change then they should go for Microsoft silverlight or something similar to that.. Or even better make their own plug-in like voddler.


Netflix uses HTML5 with google Chrome's widevine.

Chromium (linux users) doesn't have it, I know this because I tried fucking around with it to make netflix play.

Silverlight is also used tho'.
Posted 2/4/15 , edited 7/23/15

TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


_Proto_ wrote:

With multiple recent flash bugs and vulnerability found in the past weeks should the site ditch it and go for HTML5 .
Going with HTML5 would mean that the site would work better on mobile ( to the point of being able to view videos sort of making the Lack of HD on mobile less of an issue)


HTML5 doesn't allow you to protect your files in the same way as flash or other plug-ins does (or put DRM on your files), in other words if they hopped over to HTML5 without any Java or Flash running in the back then you'd be avail to right click on any and every video and download the video then and there... And that would piss the living crap put of licencors.

HTML5 was never intended for streaming services to use, it was suppose to make web development easier and more easy to handle on low-end devices like mobiles and tablets.

If they should change then they should go for Microsoft silverlight or something similar to that.. Or even better make their own plug-in like voddler.


Part of the HTML5 video spec is support EMEs (Encrypted Media Extension) for the purpose of protecting content. It lets content provider load a special Javascript blob with access to various content protection and encryption features in the browser to handle authentication etc.
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Posted 2/4/15

serifsansserif wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


_Proto_ wrote:

With multiple recent flash bugs and vulnerability found in the past weeks should the site ditch it and go for HTML5 .
Going with HTML5 would mean that the site would work better on mobile ( to the point of being able to view videos sort of making the Lack of HD on mobile less of an issue)


HTML5 doesn't allow you to protect your files in the same way as flash or other plug-ins does (or put DRM on your files), in other words if they hopped over to HTML5 without any Java or Flash running in the back then you'd be avail to right click on any and every video and download the video then and there... And that would piss the living crap put of licencors.

HTML5 was never intended for streaming services to use, it was suppose to make web development easier and more easy to handle on low-end devices like mobiles and tablets.

If they should change then they should go for Microsoft silverlight or something similar to that.. Or even better make their own plug-in like voddler.


Netflix uses HTML5 with google Chrome's widevine.

Chromium (linux users) doesn't have it, I know this because I tried fucking around with it to make netflix play.

Silverlight is also used tho'.


LIke I said, HTML5 in of it self is unprotected and thus you'll be avail to download all videos that use a purely 100% HTML5 media player i.e the <video></video> tag in HTML5. But you can protect your video content with other plug-ins.

Also, I've not tried Netflix on any of my Linux builds yet... So I wouldn't know that
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Posted 2/4/15

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TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:


_Proto_ wrote:

With multiple recent flash bugs and vulnerability found in the past weeks should the site ditch it and go for HTML5 .
Going with HTML5 would mean that the site would work better on mobile ( to the point of being able to view videos sort of making the Lack of HD on mobile less of an issue)


HTML5 doesn't allow you to protect your files in the same way as flash or other plug-ins does (or put DRM on your files), in other words if they hopped over to HTML5 without any Java or Flash running in the back then you'd be avail to right click on any and every video and download the video then and there... And that would piss the living crap put of licencors.

HTML5 was never intended for streaming services to use, it was suppose to make web development easier and more easy to handle on low-end devices like mobiles and tablets.

If they should change then they should go for Microsoft silverlight or something similar to that.. Or even better make their own plug-in like voddler.


Part of the HTML5 video spec is support EMEs (Encrypted Media Extension) for the purpose of protecting content. It lets content provider load a special Javascript blob with access to various content protection and encryption features in the browser to handle authentication etc.


But EMEs are most of the time easy to bypass in comparison to other plug-ins. Don't get me wrong, I fully support HTML5... I just think it's the wrong thing to use on streaming services.
Posted 2/4/15 , edited 2/4/15
To be fair most of them are fairly trivial to bypass. The simplest solution is use OBS etc and capture the screen. Flash has various implementations of RTMPDump. Microsoft has essentially end of lifed SilverLight and Chrome has now killed NPAPI making SilverLight a chore to users of the #2 browser.
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Posted 2/4/15
I vote Yes. The hope for HTML5 on Crunchyroll stream is almost none to 0,a couple of year Barker Doge explained it in a very long post.
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Posted 2/4/15

TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:

LIke I said, HTML5 in of it self is unprotected and thus you'll be avail to download all videos that use a purely 100% HTML5 media player i.e the <video></video> tag in HTML5. But you can protect your video content with other plug-ins.

Also, I've not tried Netflix on any of my Linux builds yet... So I wouldn't know that


It's a bitch and doesn't work... Or at least I have yet to make it work without going the "download Chrome, run in WINE" route...

BUUUUUUT, Flash doesn't really work for netflix in linux either. They keep trying to oppress the one free OS!!!!

As for video protection... Flash, HTML 5... It doesn't matter. Ripping it is always only a plugin away
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