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I've already stated my opinion on this in another topic similar to this one, but I believe that html5 should be an option, and that Crunchyroll should still have flash options. My laptop has an oldish operating system and the internet my family pays for is a slow kind of internet, so I always watch CR in Standard Definition. When html5 gets smoother, I won't care.
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Is the world burning yet, I voted for it.
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Posted 7/16/15

I voted Yes.
The world burnin'?
Uhrhh, not so much.... by the time I'm caught up with most shows, then mayhaps I'll reconsider. XD
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I don't even understand why they have not done it.

They must already have some form to do videos without flash given that I am able to view shows in my ipad (which does not support flash).

So, couldn't CR do the same on the desktop that they are doing for IOS devices?
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HTML5 doesn't allow you to protect your files in the same way as flash or other plug-ins does (or put DRM on your files), in other words if they hopped over to HTML5 without any Java or Flash running in the back then you'd be avail to right click on any and every video and download the video then and there


So how is CR protecting their videos on IOS devices?
Also, I thought netflix was moving to HTML 5 too so I would think there must be some form of DRM on HTML5 or related technologies.

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Posted 7/16/15

francisco1844 wrote:


HTML5 doesn't allow you to protect your files in the same way as flash or other plug-ins does (or put DRM on your files), in other words if they hopped over to HTML5 without any Java or Flash running in the back then you'd be avail to right click on any and every video and download the video then and there


So how is CR protecting their videos on IOS devices?
Also, I thought netflix was moving to HTML 5 too so I would think there must be some form of DRM on HTML5 or related technologies.



Netflix uses Microsoft silverlight, not HTML5.

IOS, Android, playstation, xbox and wiiU versions of CR uses a player which CR have developed specifically for those systems inside their individual apps, not a HTML5 player. If you want to use HTML5 then you'll have to combine it whit other languges such as webm or javascript. But that would not save it from being easily downloaded, facts still remain flash or silverlight are the only two alternatives CR can use to protect it's content whit DRM and HDCP
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Posted 7/16/15

francisco1844 wrote:

I don't even understand why they have not done it.

They must already have some form to do videos without flash given that I am able to view shows in my ipad (which does not support flash).

So, couldn't CR do the same on the desktop that they are doing for IOS devices?


It plays on your iPad 'cause you've got a app installed whit a player that CR have specifically developed for IOS (the os powering iPad). And the reason for why HTML5 is bad for CR simply comes down to the fact that HTML5 doesn't allow you to protect your content whit DRM and HDCP. What CR can do however is use flash or switch to microsoft silverlight (like netflix) or develop their own plugin for browsers which would allow them to control their content. They could also make a software we install on our computers like Spotify and Voddler.
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Posted 7/16/15

Netflix uses Microsoft silverlight, not HTML5.


My understanding is that Netflix has been moving away from silverlight.
https://gigaom.com/2014/10/10/netflix-arrives-on-linux-if-you-use-chrome


flash or silverlight are the only two alternatives CR can use to protect it's content whit DRM and HDCP


In addition to above link..
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/netflix-linux-playback-support-arriving-very-soon-via-html5-22-09-2014/

Any many others.. they also pretty much say the same..

So it does seem like there are options.

I guess it comes down to how expensive the conversion would be.
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Posted 7/16/15
Without a doubt, flash is pretty terrible...
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Posted 7/20/15
If Netflix can do it, why can't CR do the same.

Flash is resource hog!

It need to die!

Posted 7/20/15
how did you know I wanted world destruction?
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Posted 7/20/15

TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:But that would not save it from being easily downloaded, facts still remain flash or silverlight are the only two alternatives CR can use to protect it's content whit DRM and HDCP


i loled. fact is, people have been ripping from CR for as long as i can remember.
"being easily downloaded" - even if true, why would anyone download a video with watermark and low quality?
using flash over superior alternatives don't stop pirates, but it does provide for a worse viewing experience to legit users.



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Posted 7/21/15 , edited 7/21/15

namealreadytaken wrote:


TheOmegaForce70941 wrote:But that would not save it from being easily downloaded, facts still remain flash or silverlight are the only two alternatives CR can use to protect it's content whit DRM and HDCP


i loled. fact is, people have been ripping from CR for as long as i can remember.
"being easily downloaded" - even if true, why would anyone download a video with watermark and low quality?
using flash over superior alternatives don't stop pirates, but it does provide for a worse viewing experience to legit users.


I don't think you understood what I meant, it's a fact flash and Microsoft Silverlight does allow for better encryption of files through DRM and HDCP not a perfect solution. But it's better then what HTML5 provides. If you go to any HTML5 powered website whit video content on it then play the video right click and press download. It's that simple to download a HTML5 video, while Flash and Silverlight requires special software to download files in addition to supporting more file formats whit HTML5's OGG and MP4 only support. I'm not saying that Flash and Silverlight are perfect, just that their better for a company such as CR that does business in streaming and licensing or content.

Yes if they wanted then they could use HTML5 and back it up whit javascript and webM, but the problem is that those wouldn't really help in better encryption since those languages are too open. The perfect solution for CR would be them developing their own standalone software for desktop computers and laptops, that way they would have 100% control of their content and could force in hardware HDCP (High definition copyright protection) meaning that it would be a pain to copy their content, still not impossible to copy but much more work would go into it.
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Posted 7/22/15
I personally am not a huge fan of flash at all. Newgrounds was the home to all the viruses by playing one of their flash games. This was before I was into technology. Currently firefox has dropped flash support. They also agree that flash takes way too much system resources for something that can be done much simpler and the fact that there is tons of security issues with flash. I remember back in the day when people actually made flash games just to give computer viruses, which is why stopped playing them. (Free comes with a price

Right now I use chrome for crunchyroll because I absolutely refuse to install flash on my computer. Luckily Chrome has some built in flash in its browser so I can watch CR . Since CR is a website Chrome is only used on CR. I would even rather take Chrome off due to the fact that I am not a huge fan Google right now due to its tracking info. So if CR can take down flash and replace with Flash it would be helpful to me. I also think users that use Firefox will appreciate it as well (Linux users most likely get firefox from default) because Firefox also dropped the ball on Flash :3

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Posted 7/23/15
Maybe crunchyroll can at least switch to Microsoft Silverlight as a second option other than html5 if they need to for the time being , flash for me keeps randomly crashing a lot. Currently I'm using the flash on google chrome, After hearing Aol could go bankrupt it was making me think on how long these programs can keep getting updates and last compared to a new program, you can keep patching a program from 2000 or you can get a new bigger program in 2015.

Right now I keep seeing websites dropping flash Twitch, Youtube, Unity, Adobe discontinues Flash on phones, Linux, and Firefox, Chrome, IE
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