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Just read the articles on this link.

http://godisimaginary.com/

I don't think God can be disproven. I believe it is POSSIBLE that some sort of higher power exists. But even if there exists a god or gods, Christianity and Islam are still false.

I know what the typical response from a Muslim or Christian will be. They will ignore the link. Or they might start rationalizing why their religion is correct. But no amount of rationalization is going to make a false ideology correct.

Do I need to show you a picture of why Christianity is an absurdity?



And belief that God will send you into hell for all eternity if you don't worship is the most heinous and insidious form of thought crime you can imagine. Imagine what it would be like if I said "if you don't worship me, I will kill you". That's just disgusting. I don't believe an all-power and all-good being will force us to worship him. It is basically like this...IF YOU DON'T WORSHIP ME, I WILL PUNISH YOU. That's the most egomaniac or fascist belief possible.

Plus, God is a jerk (if he exists at all). The problem of evil proves that it is impossible to have an all-good and all-powerful god. Why doesn't God prevent evil if he is all-good and all-powerful? Clearly, the Christian god doesn't exist because of the problem of evil.

And don't give me a link to some Christian apologist like William Lane Craig. I will absolutely refute any Christian or Islamic apologism that you can throw at me. .

Personally I am agnostic. I believe it is possible for a god or gods to exist, but I have no reason to worship them.

I believe Christianity and Islam need to thrown in the trash can because these religions believe in infinite population growth. Infinite population growth is not possible and will destroy us as a species.

I don't care if you think I'm condescending. I'm not being condescending. I'm being honest. This stuff is nonsense. And it needs to be thrown in the trash can immediately. Here's a nice picture of your precious religions in a trash can.



These religions are just archaic myths and legends that need to discarded instantly. Religion is the opium of the masses as Karl Marx said. It is. It intellectual rubbish. And I believe people who believe in such nonsense lack in critical thinking.

I can't say all religions are nonsense. Some religions may actually be true. But I believe certain religions need to tossed in the trash can immediately. Start with a new religion or belief system that actually makes sense. Not a false belief system that endangers the world.

It is possible this may not change the minds of theists. But I can provide you with countless websites and links that refute these religions. And the evidence for these religions being false is overwhelming. You just need to be open-minded and accept reality, and then you will realize and accept the folly of these religious beliefs.

Religious people are so defensive when you challenge their beliefs because I believe they deep down-inside know this stuff is nonsense. But they believe in it anyways to get a false sense of security and false sense of superiority to others.

Religion relies on censorship to keep people in believing a lie. But the Internet has opened the doors of censorship, and allowed us free access to information. And this free access to information has proven religion to be a bunch of nonsense.

You can't call me arrogant for not believing in superstitions. I'm enlightened enough to not believe in this nonsense called Islam and Christianity.
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And we should care about what you think why? Why should I care what others think? If I have relationship between me and God than it's between ME AND GOD and nobody else's business. I grant you the right to believe what you will. Please extend me the same curtsey.
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All religion is false.
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I'm about as Atheist as they come, but I think there are better ways to go about discussing these things.
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Gafennec wrote:

And we should care about what you think why? Why should I care what others think? If I have relationship between me and God than it's between ME AND GOD and nobody else's business. I grant you the right to believe what you will. Please extend me the same curtsey.


If you actually challenged your beliefs, you would realize that are not ready to stand up to scrutiny. Most people, who used to be religious, stopped being religious the moment they start to actually critically think, and look at the arguments for atheism and non-belief with a rational and open mind.


ChinaCat89 wrote:

I'm about as Atheist as they come, but I think there are better ways to go about discussing these things.

What's wrong with saying x belief needs to be discarded because it has been proven to be false? That's just reality. If you have a false belief that is dangerous to humanity, it should be discarded. Beliefs sometimes need to be discarded when proven to be false.

Religion doesn't automatically deserve respect. The fact that it demands respect just shows how fallible it is because it can't stand any challenges to its validity. You have to blindly believe in it, or else you will realize it is a bunch of nonsense. Religions fall apart the moment you start applying critical thinking to them.

I never argued that god doesn't exist. What I'm arguing is why certain religions are false.


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I seriously hope you don't actually believe you'll get anyone to change their beliefs from the things you wrote.

You create this thread and just make a declaration that these two religions are garbage and need to be thrown away. Then, you talk about how you don't care about what anyone else says in opposition. Nobody will ever take you seriously if you continue to just beat people over the head with your beliefs.

If you want to change people's mind, you have to be willing to listen and respond to points they bring up rather than just going NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE.
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You can't prove religion wrong with empirical knowledge alone because it exists partially outside the physical world; it's an issue of spirituality and obviously lots of people do not find it "absolutely absurd" And why specify only Christianity and Islam as being false?
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ChinaCat89 wrote:

I'm about as Atheist as they come, but I think there are better ways to go about discussing these things.

What's wrong with saying x belief needs to be discarded because it has been proven to be false? That's just reality. If you have a false belief that is dangerous to humanity, it should be discarded. Beliefs sometimes need to be discarded when proven to be false.

Religion doesn't automatically deserve respect. The fact that it demands respect just shows how fallible it is because it can't stand any challenges to its validity. You have to blindly believe in it, or else you will realize it is a bunch of nonsense. Religions fall apart the moment you start applying critical thinking to them.

I never argued that god doesn't exist. What I'm arguing is why certain religions are false.


Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%. I just thought the way you phrased some things came off a bit confrontational, and from my experience people usually don't respond well to that. But I could definitely be wrong, It just seemed imo that people would be put off by the title of the thread and just go straight to arguing without considering the argument you're making.

I've just seen too many Atheist/Agnostics try to start conversations with Theists and come off too condescending. This just ends up creating arguments and leaves the person with a bad impression of Atheism.
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Gafennec wrote:

And we should care about what you think why? Why should I care what others think? If I have relationship between me and God than it's between ME AND GOD and nobody else's business. I grant you the right to believe what you will. Please extend me the same curtsey.


If you actually challenged your beliefs, you would realize that are not ready to stand up to scrutiny. Most people, who used to be religious, stopped being religious the moment they start to actually critically think, and look at the arguments for atheism and non-belief with a rational and open mind.


So very convenient for you to say I need to challenge my way of thinking. That I should adopt rationality, as defined by you, over any other belief system that does not conform to your belief or lack there of. Don't you think that proselytizing atheism is just as anathema as proselytizing for a formal religion?
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Mt: 22:29 "Jesus answered and said to them, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God."

1 Cor. 1:18 "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

You don't go to hell for not worshiping Jesus ...You are going there anyway; Jesus is the only one who can save you.

"Endangers the world?" HOW???

"Lack in critical thinking" seriously? Tolkein, C.S. Lewis and a thousand others; you sink your own argument better than anyone else could.

"Open minded and accept reality" - what, yours?

"Religion relies on censorship" Uh, huh - where? When? Certainly not in America - besides, even in this internet age an overwhelming majority of Americans believe in God.

Got anymore cliché's?

Long after you are gone, Jesus will still be here.

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I believe in God 100% ...and in science 100%
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Menthuthuyoupi wrote:

You can't prove religion wrong with empirical knowledge alone because it exists partially outside the physical world; it's an issue of spirituality and obviously lots of people do not find it "absolutely absurd" And why specify only Christianity and Islam as being false?


That's actually a common misconception. Empirical knowledge can prove religions to be false. Here's an example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God:_The_Failed_Hypothesis

For example, the Bible's story of Adam and Eve has been proven to be false. Also, the story of Noah's Arc and the Great Flood has been proven to be false. So don't say "empirical evidence can't disprove religion". It has.

Can supernatural things happen? Yes, but still doesn't validate religion because you can't prove these supernatural things have to come from god. How do you know Jesus Christ wasn't an alien from another planet who turned wine into water and performed other miracles with his alien technology? You can't. So you can't say Jesus Christ is the Son of God just based on miraculous things he did (that is if you assume the story of Jesus is correct).

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I really don't understand the point of organized religion. You can go into the biggest church in the world and I guarantee there will be as many versions of "God" as there are people in there. People try to state it as "their relationship with god" but it's really more like their own altered perspective of what they think god is. So why even classify yourself as christian, muslim, catholic or whatever if you're just going to make up your own god anyway?
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Not this again..

It's good to have opinions and all but I don't think it's appropriate to go denouncing other people's faith. Mutual respect, all that jazz.
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ChinaCat89 wrote:


DesuMaiden wrote:


ChinaCat89 wrote:

I'm about as Atheist as they come, but I think there are better ways to go about discussing these things.

What's wrong with saying x belief needs to be discarded because it has been proven to be false? That's just reality. If you have a false belief that is dangerous to humanity, it should be discarded. Beliefs sometimes need to be discarded when proven to be false.

Religion doesn't automatically deserve respect. The fact that it demands respect just shows how fallible it is because it can't stand any challenges to its validity. You have to blindly believe in it, or else you will realize it is a bunch of nonsense. Religions fall apart the moment you start applying critical thinking to them.

I never argued that god doesn't exist. What I'm arguing is why certain religions are false.


Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%. I just thought the way you phrased some things came off a bit confrontational, and from my experience people usually don't respond well to that. But I could definitely be wrong, It just seemed imo that people would be put off by the title of the thread and just go straight to arguing without considering the argument you're making.

I've just seen too many Atheist/Agnostics try to start conversations with Theists and come off too condescending. This just ends up creating arguments and leaves the person with a bad impression of Atheism.

I don't know how I can be anymore polite. How can I say something is false without actually just saying that it is false? Or could I just say "consider looking at the following website to see if your beliefs are correct. Can you prove your beliefs are correct after looking at the following website which debunks Christianity?". Ok there. Happy? Non confrontational. I don't want to be confrontational. I just want people to realize that x beliefs are irrational and need to be discarded.

Let me show you some Youtube videos...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUj8hg5CoSw

How about I said this?

"Consider watching the following videos, and see if you can defend your religious faith. And if you can't defend your religious faith, that means it is false."

Posted 2/4/15 , edited 2/14/15

ChinaCat89 wrote:


DesuMaiden wrote:


ChinaCat89 wrote:

I'm about as Atheist as they come, but I think there are better ways to go about discussing these things.

What's wrong with saying x belief needs to be discarded because it has been proven to be false? That's just reality. If you have a false belief that is dangerous to humanity, it should be discarded. Beliefs sometimes need to be discarded when proven to be false.

Religion doesn't automatically deserve respect. The fact that it demands respect just shows how fallible it is because it can't stand any challenges to its validity. You have to blindly believe in it, or else you will realize it is a bunch of nonsense. Religions fall apart the moment you start applying critical thinking to them.

I never argued that god doesn't exist. What I'm arguing is why certain religions are false.


Don't get me wrong, I agree with you 100%.

Even with the infinite consumption agenda he is pushing?
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