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Are All Lives Equal?
Posted 2/5/15
Discuss. I don't know, I always thought a bad person's life was of less value than a good person's life, but I don't know.
Posted 2/5/15
I don't think so, we value people who are closer to us more then complete strangers.
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I would agree agree with OP and potentsativa. I think we value the life of those we are closest to the most, but also value the lives of good people. I think of it this way when we hear about an innocent person losing there life we feel sorry for the family and friends. However when we hear about a evil person losing their life, it's almost like we celebrate and could care less. I'm not too sure either, but that's just what I think.
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Posted 2/5/15 , edited 2/7/15
Just like the value of a product the value of life depends on who is assessing that value.

If you aren't around to assess the value of a life the loss would likely have less effect. Those close to you would naturally be seen as more valuable.

I value all human life greatly and do not approve of the execution of a subdued threat, but I won't judge someone for killing in an act of defense even if the intent was to kill and leave no room for counter-attack. I value non-human life highly and don't approve of reason-less killing.
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Posted 2/5/15
its clear that all life's are not equal.. shooting in France whole world screams.. at the same time an African village was wiped out. on one heard more than a peep. (Estimates of the death toll in Baga and surrounding villages, which were razed by fire, have been put at up to 2,000. Most of the dead were women, children and the elderly who could not flee in time, said Amnesty International, which labelled it the group's deadliest massacre yet.
A further 30,000 people are thought to have fled their homes, 7,500 seeking sanctuary in Chad and the rest adding to Nigeria's tens of thousands of displaced people.)

Major Motoko Kusanagi: We weep for a bird's cry, but not for a fish's blood. Blessed are those with a voice. If the dolls also had voices, they would have screamed, "I didn't want to become human." (Ghost in the Shell 2: Innocence)
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Posted 2/5/15 , edited 2/5/15

PeripheralVisionary wrote:

Discuss. I don't know, I always thought a bad person's life was of less value than a good person's life, but I don't know.


Well, there's whether all lives are equal in theory, and separately, whether all lives are equal in practice. In practice, whether people live or die has affects on whether other people live or die, or at least, how much they enjoy their life. To illustrate with an extreme example, consider the relative "worth" of a murderer (by which I mean someone who has a tendency to kill others, not just someone who killed someone else once) and a hero (someone who actively tries to save others' lives and often succeeds). Maybe the hero's life is intrinsically worth more than the murderer's, and maybe not, but if you're ever in the proverbial "stuck on the train tracks" situation where you can save one and only one of the two, if you save the murderer then over the next few years there will be other people who lost their lives because of your decision, while if you save the hero, there'll be other people who lived when they would've died, because of your decision. So there's some sense of "in practice" in which a good person's life is worth more than a bad person's life not because of any intrinsic value, but because one of them has positive effects on others' lives and the other has negative effects on others' lives. The same is true on a much smaller scale even if it's only the difference between an otherwise identical polite person and rude person - one of them improves other people's lives by small amounts each day, the other makes them a little bit worse.

Now as to whether one of those lives is intrinsically worth more than the other, before you take into account all the effects on others' lives? That's difficult. The closest situation I can think of to try to ground my intuition is, if you had the murderer in a box in which a person can live a decent life but not escape to hurt others, and someone else has sealed the hero in a similar box which you and the rest of civilization is powerless to open, and you can only feed one of them, which one do you feed? But even in that situation, we're more inclined to reward the hero for past good deeds and punish the murderer for past evil. Of course my argument when they were in the real world wasn't about what they had done, but what they would do in the future - if the "murderer" had been an unappreciated hero for the past 10 years and snapped, but hadn't had a chance to murder yet, while the "hero" had been a vicious criminal for the past 10 years and been shocked by the depravity of humanity to the point of wanting to do something about it, but hadn't had a chance to save anyone yet, assuming I had some way of being close enough to certain that both of them actually had changed and wouldn't change back in the near future, I would choose the person with the better future over the person with the better past - and we can similarly apply the box situation to a "murderer" and a "hero" that we know would be such if they were in the real world, but haven't had a chance to kill or save anyone yet. And yet I'd still be inclined to reward the "hero" for being the type of person that would help others, so I can't decouple my desire to reward people from any concept of intrinsic value of life.

tl;dr: In practice yes; in theory, I don't know.
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Posted 2/5/15 , edited 2/5/15
In our society ('Merica), all men are created equal. Unless you are brown, a woman, poor, and don't conform to Christian morals and values. So I guess it depends on where you live and what kinda person you are, whether or not people are all equal.
Posted 2/5/15
People's lives in my monkey sphere yes. everyone else no.
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Posted 2/5/15
i don't know the way i see it. yea all lives are equal in general but its the choices we make that reflect on our life values.
lets say you know the person quiet well (example: family) compared to a person who hasn't done much with there life or even a criminal in some cases..
i couldn't say for sure if there life had value cause i don't know the person i cant just assume sense i never knew them. even if he/she doesnt do anything with there lives doesn't mean its less value. like maybe they had a good reason for committing a crime. at the same time if they committed a murder and wasn't justified then i would say that
it wouldn't be right to say you have value if you took the life of someone for your own act.. but maybe im thinking way too much into this
i guess in my head i would say in simplest terms. Prove to me you have value
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Posted 2/5/15
Every life has the same value no matter what they did. Being a bad person doesn't mean your life has less worth. For instance, a person on death row donating their organs. Bad people were conditioned to be that way for some reason or another.
Posted 2/5/15

alanshaw wrote:

Every life has the same value no matter what they did. Being a bad person doesn't mean your life has less worth. For instance, a person on death row donating their organs. Bad people were conditioned to be that way for some reason or another.


Yet if we had to choose between saving Ted Bundy's life and an innocent person, we would pick an innocent person no?
Posted 2/5/15
Of course not. Clearly my life is much more valuable than all of yours.


alanshaw wrote:

Every life has the same value no matter what they did. Being a bad person doesn't mean your life has less worth. For instance, a person on death row donating their organs. Bad people were conditioned to be that way for some reason or another.


From my limited understanding prisoners can really only donate to immediate family members and after execution they haven't been allowed to donate at all.
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Posted 2/5/15
No we ain't all equal. That's just a fantasy. People who are idiot's ain't equal to me. Just like the one's who lies, backstabs friends, friendships and relationships ending over the most smallest things. The people who are closed minded, act differently just to 'fit in', have kids when they're not ready, these people are inbreds and don't even value other peoples lives let alone themselves.
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Posted 2/5/15
Exactly! Even if its a family member, they were still able to give someone else a chance at continuing their life.
Posted 2/5/15 , edited 2/5/15

alanshaw wrote:

Exactly! Even if its a family member, they were still able to give someone else a chance at continuing their life.


Only a chance. If their lives are only valuable in death, than their lives aren't equal as I see it. Their lives are valuable because of their death?

You see value is all opinion. It's subjective. What may be one person's trash could be another's treasure.
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