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Posted 2/5/15
Because generally with Yaoi you have one guy act like a rapist and the other guy act like a total pussy.
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Posted 2/5/15 , edited 2/5/15

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Some anime fans would stay far away from yaoi. It doesn’t matter if a certain anime show has great animation, well-developed characters, interesting plot or amazing writing. If the story consists of a gay couple, they’ll automatically dismiss it and say “I’m not into yaoi”. They’re not used to seeing it, therefore, they don’t want to get used to it. They’d rather miss out on a good anime than to see two male characters being affectionate with each other (and these are hand-drawn animated characters, not real people!).


so what if they're not into yaoi? What's the problem? Why do you care what others like? I don't watch plenty of shows that have "interesting plot or amazing writing" because I don't like ecchi, lolis, or tsunderes (see Kill la Kill, No Game No Life, Toradora ). I'm not into ecchi, lolis, or tsunderes. So what? Is there a problem because I "don't want to get used to it"? No, those are simply things I don't like to watch. I can like what I want and I'm not going to force myself to watch something that I don't like.

Hmmm, sometimes it's hard to tell over the internet, but you are coming across a little testy. Not sure if you realize it or doing it on purpose. Either way, I've already explained the problem about it in my original post. This isn't about ecchi or lolis, that's a whole other topic. This is about a relationship between two human beings who just happen to be males, in this case, yaoi, and I think one of the problems why you (and some other people) dislike it is probably because of how society has indoctrinated people by pushing this "traditional" ideas of a man and a woman being together for many centuries now. People have grown accustomed to it and became part of the culture, so when they see something "different", it baffles them or even disgusts them. I think that if we all lived in a world where we were all created and treated as equal human beings from the very start, there wouldn't be a problem. That's just what I think.
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pls like my gays ;_;


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pls like my gays ;_;


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kdroberts wrote:


LifeOtaku wrote:

pls like my gays ;_;


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if you noticed, the human race is the only species in the world that are homosexual, you don't see animals being homosexual do you. The point is men are generally supposed to like women and vice versa. I respect other people's sexual orientation, and i sure do believe that love will overcome everything, even society's norms. So if you like men, and you are a guy, just go for it. If you are straight, go for it. And if you are a woman, and you are a woman, just go for it, but the real question is: why hat yuri


Cause people can? Maybe because the Yuri they see so far sucks to them? I for one have never found any anime, let alone Yuri, aside from Dragon Ball Z Madoka Magica, and Cowboy Bebop, that had me as invested as something as powerful and emotionally soul shattering as Batman The Animated Series. It's as close to a mix of EVERY type of Batman comic at it's peak of literary quality as anything can get.

Things need to be genuinely and generally engaging for people to at least like it. Let alone hate it.
Posted 2/5/15
Most people don't watch things for the aesthetics of the story/characters; least of all... anime fans. I'm not trying to demean anime viewers, just explaining my philosophy/point of view and telling my honest opinion. If you get butthurt by it, then stop reading my comment.

If anime viewers are appreciators of aesthetics, they would be out there reading Shakespeare, t.s. Elliot, etc. and not watch the amount of crap that anime companies produce each season, each year.

Like I said, don't come for me, because i'm criticising anime in a negative light, just because i'm an anime fan doesn't mean I can't criticise it negatively. There are some anime that are works of art, but a majority of them are for cheap entertainment values... with no creativity or any thought input.

Some anime feel like it can be written by some 10 years old kids, to be honest.




How does this tie into the OP's question? What you're asking people to do is to look past fetishism/sexualisation, and to look at a story based on its artistic values alone...

But most of us watch anime to satisfy our fantasy/sexuality/fetish etc. Of course the story is a part of why we enjoy the anime, but getting cheap entertainment and sexualisation are the bigger reasons.


And of course i'm included in this. I mean, I'm completely turned off by all-girls one guy anime like Bladedance of the elementalists, trinity seven etc.


So I wouldn't expect straight people to be into yaoi anime. And to be honest, I wouldn't recommend yaoi titles to a person who appreciates aesthetics more than sexualisation, anyway... because not many yaoi titles that have deep characterisation... to my standards. Gravitation was cool, though.
Posted 2/6/15 , edited 2/6/15
Because Yaoi is nothing more than a masturbatory fantasy between two people ultimately lacking in actual humanity. It's a startling inaccurate portrayal of real homosexual relationships half the time. However, only half. Some are actually decent as romances. Not that most romances in anime are accurate, but that's besides the point. Yaoi is basically pandering to a demographic much like the incest fetish. I don't hate yaoi, because a lot of things are masturbatory fantasies, I hate the whole BDSM thing aimed at women nowadays like wolf girl black prince and whatever.


However, there may be a purpose to it. Without having to cater to the social standards of heterosexual courtship, a lot of female authors use the male x male relationship dynamic to ignore the social niceties they are usually constrained to and add in the violence and roughness that gender issues prohibit (remembering the rather stricter and more polite codes of behavior that are inherent in Japanese culture). Of course, it could also simply mean that if one hot guy is good, two or more are even better. It's interesting how some viewers, especially male ones, don't get that.


Besides, it is porn, so who cares about it? If people are going to let me enjoy my incest fetish than why not masturbatory fantasies such as these?
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Posted 2/6/15
I love yaoi, I hate some of the fangirls.
Posted 2/6/15
I don't mind watching Yaoi or Yuri, providing it doesn't get sexual. That's not because it's homosexual, I just get uncomfortable with that sort of thing, heterosexual or not.

If it's purely just a romance story, I will watch it. It doesn't bother me and i'm more about quality of characters other than what the relationship is. I think the OP is right though, I think a lot of homosexual shows or books give people the "ick" factor because we're not so exposed to it as we are mauled by heterosexual couples in media.
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Posted 2/7/15 , edited 2/7/15
I dislike both Yuri and Yaoi, not because I dislike gays, but because i can't relate to either one, I only like Yuri when it's for fan service purposes and nothing more, when you start to dive in to romantic yuri, that's when I lose interest. I'm a perverted man, proud one too, watching a girl or girls go crazy over a guy is my kind of thing, although I prefer when the guys at least ends up with one.
Posted 2/7/15

kdroberts wrote:


LifeOtaku wrote:

pls like my gays ;_;


No.


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As much as I hate to say it, most yaoi series are crap.

I still eat yaoi up because, as you said, gay people are so rare in anything that it's actually enjoyable to watch a series that focuses on gay love. However, the trap most yaoi series fall into is that they focus so much on the gay love aspect that they forget that good romance series focus on externalities as well. No. 6, although not a yaoi proper, is one of my favorite series because the futuristic/post-apocolapyse world (even if not particularly fleshed out) provides an externalize. Moreover, it's official designation of shonen-ai meant that most of the gay affection had to be held off for key scenes, as opposed to something like Sekai-ichi would could have guys kissing every three minutes. And then there's the non-consensual sex that tends to drag on series and make them... not fun. Love Stage!! actually deconstructed that, so I appreciate it. But when it comes down to it, when you look at series like Spice and Wolf, Eureka Seven, or Clannad (and yes, I'm basically citing the only few straight romance anime I watched) and all they are doing, it feels that most yaoi series have meek ambitions by comparison. By that, I mean, so long as there's enough plot excuse for two men to get together, it's good enough, with maybe one externality to keep the plot from being something just shy of two guys always getting it on.

But that's just yaoi-proper series. I tend to get more enjoyment out of ho yay, because as with the case of No. 6, when a series isn't yaoi-proper, it has to limit any affection to subtext. Ho yay lends itself to focusing more on the plot outside of the relationship, and with just the right amount of subtext, can at least feel like two characters have unrequited love. I'm thinking something along the lines of Rei and Negisa in Free!!. At the very least, it's more plentiful and such series generally have better writing, so it fills the void.

This also feeds into why I like shipping non-canon couples. Because even if Rei and Nagisa don't hook up in the series, there's always enough fan media floating around : ]

/my opinion on yaoi anime.
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kimchino wrote:

if you noticed, the human race is the only species in the world that are homosexual, you don't see animals being homosexual do you. The point is men are generally supposed to like women and vice versa. I respect other people's sexual orientation, and i sure do believe that love will overcome everything, even society's norms. So if you like men, and you are a guy, just go for it. If you are straight, go for it. And if you are a woman, and you are a woman, just go for it, but the real question is: why hat yuri


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kimchino wrote:

if you noticed, the human race is the only species in the world that are homosexual, you don't see animals being homosexual do you.


Yes, you do. Nature is freaky as shit yo. Name ANY sexual orientation or perversion and its in nature.

So you can take your "homosexuality is unnatural" crap back to Sunday school.



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