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I support homosexuality in real life, and i love homosexuals and seeing them on TV But, i hate certain shounen ai / yaoi couples on the internet. I hate this because it's so repetitive and annoying! In manga, the boys in the shounen ai /yaoi act like women don't even exist and the whole manga is centered around boys- JUST BOYS . It's the same all the time! In Real life, Homosexuals talk about women and men every once in a while or many times, I know manga is just the comics and its not susposed to be centered on Real life conversations. Also the personality types are always the same too, It's always seme and uke. Theres never in-between or something like that. Also, The big reason i hate certain boy love couples is because they ruin the fandom for me (EX: South Park, Black Butler, etc.) I just wish that there were'nt so many yaoi fangirls in certain fandoms, sometimes they're really annoying and other times they're ok. I just wish every fandom had a perfect balance with the yaoi fangirls who care more about shipping than the actual show and the REAL fans. Or maybe I just hate shounen ai / yaoi because of those annoying fangirls....either way, It's just me.

Posted 4/2/15 , edited 4/2/15


I have never understood why straight guys like to see girls going after girls. Or vice versa with girls. Most of my girlfriends have told me and asked me to kiss another guy in front of them because it's there fantasy so I do it, but if I ever kissed a girl in front of them things would go very poorly.


I agree orange-chan though female fanoms into yaoi can be utterly infuriatingly annoying. The ones that take it to point of sick obsession.
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Kerst wrote:



I have never understood why straight guys like to see girls going after girls. Or vice versa with girls. Most of my girlfriends have told me and asked me to kiss another guy in front of them because it's there fantasy so I do it, but if I ever kissed a girl in front of them things would go very poorly.



It's a strange thing to describe lol. I'm just for whatever reason attracted to it, that's the only way I can explain it!
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Well... Has one of them ever "changed" anime?
I mean.. revolutionary girl utena had a following, impact, and fanbase outside of yuri fans. That show really did, "revolutionize" a lot, and Ikuhara's work on that show has inspired plenty of other shows.

But that was a yuri... I don't think a yaoi has ever done something on that level
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hmm, i think people may hate yaoi because they dont understand it, or it may rub them the wrong way, clashing with ones ethics, etc. All and all though i prefer shounen ai, and when it comes to yaoi itself i mainly like it because of the close relationship the chars share, not necessarily for the sexual acts, i could do without them really. In general though i think the genre has helped anime spread, changing it, even allowing it to become more infamous, gravitation being one of the classics... "shrugs.
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I hate yaoi because I find it disgusting. Of course, I don't like seeing any sexuality in shows, so it's not like there are exceptions to the rule. Am I ok with guys and girls kissing? Well, it's normal, though I still consider it gross. Maybe it's just me, but I think of all the medical complications, the germs, the spiritual complications, the social complications, and the whole mess that builds up when people decide to ignore boundaries and "have a fling" so-to-speak. I prefer there being order in society, and, from a naturalistic perspective, part of that involves maintaining the natural biological state: "parts is parts" as the saying goes.

That said, I don't think humans are "naturally attracted" to anything. From a naturalistic perspective, we're all just blobs of cells. Heck - Tigers have had sex with lions, and bunnies have humped balloons, so is there a preference problem? lol. We tend to become attracted things that are 1) familiar (such as people - I mean if we were Vulcan, we'd love Vulcans, right?) 2) beautiful (more the case for men, as women seem to prefer security or something else, but I'm not going to venture answering that) and 3) what we understand we can have a relationship with. People have fallen in love with dogs and cats before. Unusual, yes, but unexpected, no - at least not from my perspective. (I mean heck, people have fallen in love with themselves and maybe their cars too, if you can imagine that.) Overall then, calling oneself "heterosexual" or "homosexual" speaks more about preference to me than any physical trait. That said, it's quite possible to change from one preference to another, though notably, you do need to believe it's possible.

I don't see any problem with guys liking guys. Admittedly, I have found some men rather attractive (and I'm a male). But I can prevent myself from ever desiring more intimacy. It's a choice. Furthermore, while I can say I "like" women, the fact is, I'm attracted to only some women, so calling myself "heterosexual" seems to imply the false "as long as it's a woman, it's ok". But, I can still change my preferences.

Finally, I would still stay away from yaoi, even if I didn't mind it, for probably the same reason I stay away from the vast majority of harems: it's too overboard. Having a gay character in a show is one thing. Having the show center around his activity without a real plot is another.
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Actual yaoi-genre yaoi? It has no plot. oh my god, I tried sitting through this one manga... it was awful. It was a bunch of RPG cliches with a few (mostly-non-consensual) sex scenes thrown in, and a lot of bad jokes.
And all the non-con stuff.
And the fact that most of them have this ridiculous art style. People like to talk about the hands and the chins, but it's the mouths that get me. What's really awful is the way that some official spinoff manga for certain anime targeted to that audience (not naming names) have that style and make the whole thing look bad.
But then again, het shoujo manga are the same.

BL fanservice/pairings in a show with plot? That's good. Very good. There should be more of it.
Shows with plot, where the whole cast is full of pretty boys? That's good, need more of it.
Shows with plot with pretty boys in pretty clothes and BL pairings? Perfect. (incidentally, I've written a couple of novels like this, if you're interested).

. . . . do they even still call it "yaoi" anymore in Japan? I just see "BL" all the time...



(yes this is canon. I don't ship it, though, I ship SuzaLulu, which is probably closer to canon than any other Lelouch pairing).
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Posted 10/5/16
Yaoi isn't a homosexual genre perse. It's homosexuality flavored fan-service for women, by women.

Japanese female authors for some reason love to write about really messed up homosexual relationships. I remember back in the early 2000's I watched Mirage of Blaze without knowing too much about what it was. On the outside it seemed like a grim action series, though later it was pretty obvious it was a non-graphic Yaoi series. One of the things was, the bad guy like forced the main character's soul into the main character's wife's body, and then raped them both at the same time. It was extremely weird.

Though yeah, a lot of Yaoi is very, very, fucked up. It's not limited to Yaoi either though, there are a bunch of fucked up shojos as well. Like male writers will usually write rape as an element that moves the story along. Female writers though write rape like it was some kind of weird artistic fetish. Needless to say, there are pretty much no Yaoi written by male writers.
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Posted 10/5/16
It's a littleeeeeeeeeeee bit better now, but I honestly don't like a lot of yaoi not because of the homosexual content(hello, I"m involved in K and Touken Ranbu, a huge fandom that makes their stake on gayships) but basically...there's no damn plot other than 'Hi. Let's F**k.' I've read doujinshi and fanfiction that had a better plot than most of the yaoi out there...

Most of the yuri I've seen or read actually has better writing.
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Posted 10/5/16
The main problem with the Yaoi genre is how it's rarely a good depiction of same sex romance; one of the men (the submissive one) is practically written like a female character. It's pretty bad how I liken most Yaoi series I've witnessed to 50 shades of grey.

I do agree with what a lot of people on this topic are suggesting: we do need more series with well written BL.

But anyway, like I always say, Samurai Flamenco is my favorite Yaoi anime. I'm only half joking.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIXGxbSCVkY&ab_channel=rantasmo
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Posted 10/5/16
I try to really avoid seme/uke stuff in my own writing ( http://www.lavendermintrose.com/ if anyone's interested /plug) and just have matter-of-factly equal relationships whether they're same- or opposite-sex. Also, having three-dimensional characters is important.


Nogara-san wrote:
I've read doujinshi and fanfiction that had a better plot than most of the yaoi out there...


They usually would if they're based on something with a plot... though I've seen a lot of people who manage to flatten out Lelouch and Suzaku into a typical yaoi, sadly enough.
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Posted 10/5/16
Almost every BL anime I've seen was at best average and when you search for a good manga without any recommendations you'll be most likely disappointed too (and not just because of the drawings...). That's why I understand when somebody says that the genre itself isn't that great. Not that I agree because there's also enough good BL out there, with beautiful drawings and an entertaining story but it's not like those mangas will ever get an anime .

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I hope Ten Count gets an anime. It's yaoi, but it's seriously not only one of the best art but it's a nicely written romance as well. Not just 'LEMME F**K U'
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I liked the BL Love Stage and I liked part of Junjou Romantica. I didn't like some of the ones with extremely unhealthy relationships. A good story could be about messed up relationships but these seem to have these types of relationship accepted in the end. I agree that the whole seme uke thing can get annoying. Things would be a lot more interesting without sticking to these labels.
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