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Posted 2/7/15

cleruninja wrote:

I have Google Fiber, and I would encourage anyone with the option to do the same. Alternatively, look into smaller, regional internet carriers. Calling this country a democracy is a joke. It literally never has been and never will be. Or, as Carlin put it "This country was bought and paid for years ago". America is capitalist through and through. Your votes and letters are cute, but in the end, money is what makes the decisions here. The only real solution is to stop giving money to these asshats. Refuse to do business with "Team cable". Especially AT&T, they're one of the worst companies in existence.
what he said!

Posted 2/7/15

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People are exaggerating both ends of this, but differently.

FCC regulation is just the lesser of two evils.


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The majority of companies in america dont use fiber optic. We're just now starting to push out fiber optics where other countries have had it for awhile and have it for everything. For us, the majority of our cabling is still the regular lines, dish, dsl, etc. We have it, but its not very common.


Again, wrong. It is extremely common. Every single ISP over a certain size uses fiber connections (at the very least from them to their ISP), and every single tier one network is pretty much made of fiber.

Just because no one within 50, 100, or 1000 miles of you has a fiber line to their home doesn't mean "fiber is uncommon." (and people do have them--St. Petersburg Florida, for example, has Verizon FIOS available) Companies have been deploying fiber in the US for longer than you've been alive. There's a lot more fiber in the ground than you seem to realize. Just because it's not coming directly into homes doesn't mean it's not there or not being used.



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That's true, and that in theory, yet grab a car and smash it against a phone post? to who would you have to pay / compensate the repairs? the country or the cable company owner? On that basis rural areas where there is a lone company they can do whatever they what, high prices, slow downs etc., even hours of availability. Yeah certain It will keep neutral , "I will attend everyone , everyone who pay for it", "not discriminating but cost have raised and I will have to rise the price speed internet cost". Of course that that does not happen every day because public competition and more`s laws but they happen time to time.


I'm sorry what kind of tangent have you got off on here?
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Cable companies have a monopoly in the US. They also have control of the legislative branch through lobbying. FCC needed to step their game up and they have recently. They've proposed stronger rules to protect net neutrality but this is only the first step to loosening the monopolies' grip on the Internet.
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YO! Those jerkhole cable companies are at it again. Basically they want to slow down/moderate what websites get to run on the Internet. THIS COULD RUIN OUR FREEDOM, GUYS! THIS IS SERIOUS. Like, I'm not even joking on this, the Internet slow-down is stupid.

Links~
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
https://www.battleforthenet.com/sept10th/

My opinion: *sigh* The internet slowdown... is so INCREDIBLY STUPID . Let me explain. There are teachers who need the Internet for their work. There are elementary/middle/high/college students who need the internet for their work. There are people who the Internet for their jobs. There are Youtubers/Artists who need the internet for their jobs. There are aspiring artists/animators who need the internet.


I'm not joining in... And the reason why is this: We already lost.

The internet as it stands and what it is changing into is basically a for charge service where you have to...

-Pay to view comics
-Pay to watch movies or TV shows
-Pay to start a blog (and those with blogs try to monetize it
-Where search engine results are domintated by big corporations and independent retailers have a difficult time making headway
-Where everything requires a paid for app
-Where social media replaces actual news.
-Where ads dominate 1/3 of your screen space
-Where social media is about data collection for commerce
-Where you don't actually get to *keep* the digital media you buy (and your rights to reproduce it are extremely limited
-Where your friends and customers demand new content from you 24-7 (social media)
-Where actual free or open source projects are constantly underfunded due to the capitalistic nature of internet hosting (wikipedia)
-Where social media makes you incredibly depressed (among other problems: http://research.fit.edu/sealevelriselibrary/documents/doc_mgr/1006/O'Keeffe_and_Pearson._2011._The_Impact_of_Social_Media_on_Children,_Adolescents,_and_Families.pdf )
- youtube encourages people to advertise, or, to allow advertisements to be show during what was supposed to be "free" content.

I mean I love parts of the internet and what it was ORIGINALLY intended to be but we're already far past the time were we could fight to make the internet truly free from censorship, private interests, and available to everyone who wanted to join.

in 5 years time, most of the "Free" stuff on the internet is going to be a subscription based service, (and is going to suck worse than it already does) that replaces basically cable TV (with a few extras).

People are already upset with social media (tumblr hate is pretty obvious here. Facebook is losing the younger generation,and the older folks on there might leave soon too. Businesses STILL can't figure out how to make social media work for them, and quite frankly, it doesn't because the systems in place are meant to benefit the people hosting the ads, not the buyers of ad space... And posts are nothing more than giving away free content).

We already see the subscription service model proliferating, Hulu CR, funi, Showtime, HBO, Netflix, Pandora, Spotify, Other Radio Stations... You see it with software, like Quickbooks, and Microsoft talking about their new Windows 10 as possibly a subscription model (or, encouraging you to subscribe to services for their benefit, essentially being advertisers), Computers now push you to sign up for cloud storage. And yeah... the internet really really sucks.
Posted 2/7/15

MissMagicNoodles wrote:

YO! Those jerkhole cable companies are at it again. Basically they want to slow down/moderate what websites get to run on the Internet. THIS COULD RUIN OUR FREEDOM, GUYS! THIS IS SERIOUS. Like, I'm not even joking on this, the Internet slow-down is stupid.

Links~
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
https://www.battleforthenet.com/sept10th/

My opinion: *sigh* The internet slowdown... is so INCREDIBLY STUPID . Let me explain. There are teachers who need the Internet for their work. There are elementary/middle/high/college students who need the internet for their work. There are people who the Internet for their jobs. There are Youtubers/Artists who need the internet for their jobs. There are aspiring artists/animators who need the internet.

No internet, no readily available sources for projects/work.

No internet, no fanfiction/fanart.

No internet, no anime.

No internet, no Netflix/Pandora/Youtube/DeviantArt.

No internet, no social media.

No internet, no internet friends.

No internet, no internet memes.

No internet, no music, either legal or illegal.

No internet, no downloads.

No internet, no steam, origin, or any downloadable games.

No internet, no online gaming.

No internet, no online games.

No internet, no family-history websites that make it easier to find your ancestors such as ancestry, or familytree.com.

No internet, no readily available websites about your favorite TV shows/movies/books/video games/anime, such as Wikipedia, or Wikia.

No internet, no creepypasta. (Though some of you may be thankful for this one.)

No internet, no online tests/quizzes...

No internet, no gifs...

No internet, no internet animations/animators like Jaltoid, Bee and Puppycat, and Bravest Warriors.

No internet, no webcomics.

And I could name a million more.

So unless you want to pay a fortune for faster internet where you can barely do anything, I would do something.

Team Cable: Comcast, Verizon, Time Warner Cable, AT&T.

Team Internet:
AVG, Imgur, Cheezburger, Tumblr, Wikia, Etsy, Kickstarter, Reddit, Urban Dictionary, Fight for the Future, Netflix, and many more.


I 100% agree with you. The companies shouldn't ever slow down the internet because:

1. People would hate it and stop buying from the companies.
2. The companies would be in debt and have to close down from lack of Internet users.
3. Due to the lack of Internet and companies, it would be very difficult to find jobs.
4. Computer companies would have to close down from slower Internet, Youtubers would have to quit Youtubing, and jobs that would need computers would shut down also.
5. Us anime lovers wouldn't be able to watch anime at all! Plus, the economy would be much worse with slower Internet.

There are many other reasons, and the list could go on and on, but I 100% agree that those cable companies should NEVER slow down the Internet for profit.
Posted 2/7/15

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MissMagicNoodles wrote:

YO! Those jerkhole cable companies are at it again. Basically they want to slow down/moderate what websites get to run on the Internet. THIS COULD RUIN OUR FREEDOM, GUYS! THIS IS SERIOUS. Like, I'm not even joking on this, the Internet slow-down is stupid.

Links~
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
https://www.battleforthenet.com/sept10th/

My opinion: *sigh* The internet slowdown... is so INCREDIBLY STUPID . Let me explain. There are teachers who need the Internet for their work. There are elementary/middle/high/college students who need the internet for their work. There are people who the Internet for their jobs. There are Youtubers/Artists who need the internet for their jobs. There are aspiring artists/animators who need the internet.


I'm not joining in... And the reason why is this: We already lost.

The internet as it stands and what it is changing into is basically a for charge service where you have to...

-Pay to view comics
-Pay to watch movies or TV shows
-Pay to start a blog (and those with blogs try to monetize it
-Where search engine results are domintated by big corporations and independent retailers have a difficult time making headway
-Where everything requires a paid for app
-Where social media replaces actual news.
-Where ads dominate 1/3 of your screen space
-Where social media is about data collection for commerce
-Where you don't actually get to *keep* the digital media you buy (and your rights to reproduce it are extremely limited
-Where your friends and customers demand new content from you 24-7 (social media)
-Where actual free or open source projects are constantly underfunded due to the capitalistic nature of internet hosting (wikipedia)
-Where social media makes you incredibly depressed (among other problems: http://research.fit.edu/sealevelriselibrary/documents/doc_mgr/1006/O'Keeffe_and_Pearson._2011._The_Impact_of_Social_Media_on_Children,_Adolescents,_and_Families.pdf )
- youtube encourages people to advertise, or, to allow advertisements to be show during what was supposed to be "free" content.

I mean I love parts of the internet and what it was ORIGINALLY intended to be but we're already far past the time were we could fight to make the internet truly free from censorship, private interests, and available to everyone who wanted to join.

in 5 years time, most of the "Free" stuff on the internet is going to be a subscription based service, (and is going to suck worse than it already does) that replaces basically cable TV (with a few extras).

People are already upset with social media (tumblr hate is pretty obvious here. Facebook is losing the younger generation,and the older folks on there might leave soon too. Businesses STILL can't figure out how to make social media work for them, and quite frankly, it doesn't because the systems in place are meant to benefit the people hosting the ads, not the buyers of ad space... And posts are nothing more than giving away free content).

We already see the subscription service model proliferating, Hulu CR, funi, Showtime, HBO, Netflix, Pandora, Spotify, Other Radio Stations... You see it with software, like Quickbooks, and Microsoft talking about their new Windows 10 as possibly a subscription model (or, encouraging you to subscribe to services for their benefit, essentially being advertisers), Computers now push you to sign up for cloud storage. And yeah... the internet really really sucks.


I kind of... disagree with you. I mean, I guess you're right, but the internet is still pretty useful for other reasons. There's teachers/students/workers who use the internet for their job. There's also Youtubers/Twitch users/animators who need it. Not to mention that slower internet would make it extremely hard to buy things online. So yeah, the internet has its flaws, but so does everything else.

People need to learn to love something even with its flaws.
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MissMagicNoodles wrote:

No internet, no anime.



There was plenty of good anime before the Internet.

Loved Maison Ikkoku and Kimagure Orange Road.


True, but it would fall into several categories: only be sold in Japan, see a very limited release in America (let alone Europe) or available at 12am-3am timeslot once a week on a specialist channel.
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MissMagicNoodles wrote:

I kind of... disagree with you. I mean, I guess you're right, but the internet is still pretty useful for other reasons. There's teachers/students/workers who use the internet for their job. There's also Youtubers/Twitch users/animators who need it. Not to mention that slower internet would make it extremely hard to buy things online. So yeah, the internet has its flaws, but so does everything else.

People need to learn to love something even with its flaws.


See, you're talking about speed, and I'm talking about content.

You want faster speed so you can access content faster.

I'm saying that the content is king, and if the content isn't free or worthwhile, speed doesn't matter. I also argue that speed is kinda irrelevant of content is mostly a paid for enterprise because as it becomes more and more of a commercial endeavor, the speed will be reflected as businesses that depend on speed rally to make sure that their customers have cheap and fast access to their content.... which is what's happening. Netflix, youtube, etc. anyone that is making millions or billions off of content is rallying behind ensuring fast speeds because without them it hurts their bottom line.

Which gets me to another point: Net neutrality isn't about high speed access ( though that's what the discussion is about). It's about access to content. When net neutrality was originally under fire, it was about protecting people's personal sites it was about making sure that Bob's Cola, an independent company, was treated equally on the internet to say, Coca Cola. It was about ensuring CR was treated equally to Hulu, and that independent book stores could compete on equal grounds to Amazon. It was to ensure podcasts could compete with other streams and so on. It was, about protecting you from things like region blocking. (something CR and most other streamers enforce). It even was about protecting your rights to post and proliferate materials online, including that of copyrighted media.... Which is why you see net neutrality associated with sites like The Pirate Bay and why the Swedish government doesn't (or hasn't until recently) wanted to step foot into regulating what goes on on the internet.

Net Neutrality is a MUCH bigger issue than just "why the hell can't I get real broadband where I live." Unfortunately, in my eyes, net neutrality is already a dead issue in the US, and this fight about broadband is now just a scuffle between companies big enough to be publicly traded on the stock market, and has nothing to do with the average user.

You'll get your high speed internet. Trust me. The FCC just recently ruled that "broadband" means a speed of at least 20-25Mbps instead of what was considered "broadband" at 3Mbps. The companies providing know they're going to be butthurt by the current situation, they're just fighting it in order to make sure they don't lose the battle by TOO much.

Meanwhile, the battle for actual net neutrality is long since dead, and those artists, teachers, animators, etc. are STILL going to pay through the nose (this time for the content rather than the access) or as independents, they're going to be shoved out of the market even more by the major conglomerates and corporations that already ensure that they get little say.
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Well..this sucks. but alas I still don't fully understand this situation.
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Even so if those content providers are charged an extra fee to ensure unadultered traffic to their customers (which the customers already pay for that bandwidth AND the services) the costs would likely result in increased prices for the customer. The ISPs want to double-dip for connections that are already paid for.

I honestly would cut out the middle man and just start my own local ISP by purchasing from a Tier 1 network, but the local laws make that nearly impossible. It is straight up anti-competitive garbage. This isn't just about net neutrality.
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as more people cut the cable and turn to streaming verses a gazillion garbage channels for a few shows that are on when we have otherstuff to do, time warner and comcast are getting desperate. i remember how it took almoast 1/2 hour of "no i don't want cable or phone just internet". "i don't care about the free 3 months of premium channels that you will then start billing me for if i don't remember to call and cancel i just want internet" lmao.
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*Begins rant about taking over the world, and stuff*

Morale of the story: The government is stupid. To even consider this..
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FCC is voting on reclassifying the Internet under Title II. If this happens, the Internet will be regulated under the same authority that Phone lines are regulated under. I can't say whether this is a good or bad thing, but it sure will be interesting.
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Cash is king, it elects those in power who bow to the will of companies that will pay for re-election campaigns. They own the congressman and senator lock stock and key, as well as the legal system.

So expect the will of the people to be legally canceled by those corporations with cash and by those who they own.


just a simple fact.


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