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So after coming off finishing the Summer-Autumn Best Girl Contest thread, I was thinking that I needed to change a few things.

It was fun to run and everyone who participated seemed to like how it was run (even if they didn't like the final result), but I want to get people's opinion on what you would like to see happen in upcoming contests, as I will be looking to run another thread sometime around June/July.

So I ask you, users of Crunchyroll, What would you like to see?

Do you want somewhere to hang out and talk with fellow voters, or do you want a thread that doesn't get off track so easily?

Do you just want to post your vote and leave it at that or would you want an contest that runs on a structure?

Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?

Should characters eliminated just stay that way?

If you have any ideas or complaints, this is the place to voice them.
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Do you want somewhere to hang out and talk with fellow voters, or do you want a thread that doesn't get off track so easily?
Yes, it's fun talking to others even though I don't do it that often. I'll try to participate more. A thread that doesn't get off track easily would be boring.

Do you just want to post your vote and leave it at that or would you want an contest that runs on a structure?
I like posting my vote, but it could be structured better.

Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?
Powers were fun but it is probably a lot of work to keep track of who has powers and who is on break. It's ok if we don't have powers and just vote though. But getting on the x00 pages were fun.

Should characters eliminated just stay that way?
Maybe. I like that some characters get a second chance to come back though.

Idea! Instead of going through the pages to look for votes, you should probably have people quote you. It would probably be easier for you to find votes that way.

Also, are there any volunteers to host the Summer Autumn Best Guy Contest?

Good job, Avid! You did great on the Summer Autumn Best Girl contest. Good luck on the next one!
Posted 2/6/15 , edited 2/6/15
Interesting.

Well, different people have different opinions on contests - so i'll just throw out mine for what they're worth (which is very little).

1) I personally prefer contests that stay on track. If the thread is filling with chatter, it feels like it drowns out the votes and makes the purpose of the contest itself seem muddled. It also seems to lessen the point of voting if you feel like your vote has nothing to do with conversation(s) that are going on. Heck, it might even feel like an interruption or an intrusion.

2) Not sure what you mean by a "structure" as opposed to just posting votes. I don't really think it matters as long as it's easy to understand. I guess structure is good - the more intuitive the better.

3) Gimmicks and powers i'm kind of unsure about. On the one hand, they seem like a lot of fun. On the other hand, they seem like they would be taxing to implement. Personally, I don't like the notion of gimmicks affecting the voting. To use an analogy from gaming, I think they should feel like cosmetic items as opposed to "pay to win" items.

4) It's not that important to me either way. That is to say, I would like a contest equally with or without it. However, I personally like the idea of a scenario where certain characters can come back after being eliminated. It adds an interesting dynamic and gives a glimmer of hope that your favorites might make it back in - further encouraging you to stick around.

General thoughts:
The major thing for me is accessibility - both in terms of voting and just general tournament guidelines in general. I feel like anyone should be able to jump to both the first and the last page and say "Hey! I can make a difference here!". Everything else should just be an interesting bonus for those that stick around.

But again - just my opinions.
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Do you want somewhere to hang out and talk with fellow voters, or do you want a thread that doesn't get off track so easily?
I prefer the thread not getting off topic, but having a place for general chat is also nice.

Do you just want to post your vote and leave it at that or would you want an contest that runs on a structure?
I'd like to have debates and conversations about the votes. Not sure if that falls under this or not.

Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?
Not a fan of powers. They sort of discourage people from jumping into the contest if the missed the start.

Should characters eliminated just stay that way?
Sort of ambivalent on the whole losers bracket.

If you have any ideas or complaints, this is the place to voice them.
Random idea: A best 'duo' contest would be sort of cool. There are a number of characters that are really best considered along side each other. Whether that be partners (Shinichi and Migi), siblings (Sora and Shiro), couples, foils, or rivals (Slaine and Inaho).

Random idea 2: Have a debate style tournament. Instead of just voting, people defend their characters. It could lead to some interesting discussions about the different characters/shows. Though this would probably have a much smaller turn out.
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Do you want somewhere to hang out and talk with fellow voters, or do you want a thread that doesn't get off track so easily?

I'd prefer a 2 thread option. One is for strictly voting and the administers need to be ruthless to weed out posts that are not votes and a discussion thread.

Do you just want to post your vote and leave it at that or would you want an contest that runs on a structure?

Either is fine. I kinda enjoy the 'if you dated' the character what would you do on it type of votes.

Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?

They were fun, but the platninum level was way to overpowered and awarded hap-haphazardly for reasons that disadvantaged voters could not partake in.

Should characters eliminated just stay that way?

It's fine to bring them back, but resurrected characters should have to have fought all the way back up the food chain even if it meant some characters got a bye while waiting for the matchups.

If you have any ideas or complaints, this is the place to voice them
I think I already did before. Never been shy about making my opinion known.

I think all the moderators who run the tourneys here deserve a big vote of thanks and respect.
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I like talking and being able to vote without a ton of requirements.
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Since I am neutral on just about all of these points, I figured I'd mention that I would throw in my opinion on the one topic I felt a certain way on.

On the topic of powers and gimmicks:
If powers do make a return in a later contest, I think it would be best to only have them active for the earlier rounds if at all. It would give a bit of a push for some characters early on, but it wouldn't be able to carry them all the way. Plus I don't think it'd deter many voters since people usually don't start really getting into it all until a few rounds in (using the CR: Picks as reference).

Just my opinion and I hope more people come to voice theirs.
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Do you want somewhere to hang out and talk with fellow voters, or do you want a thread that doesn't get off track so easily?

It would probably be best to make one for just talking if you want to attract a wider audience.

Do you just want to post your vote and leave it at that or would you want an contest that runs on a structure?

If you're talking about round themes and stuff like that, then they should stay.

Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?

I'm not too sure on this. I will say that your platinum power was as OP as Onii-Sama.

Should characters eliminated just stay that way?

I don't care either way. Either way would make for an interesting tournament.
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Do you want somewhere to hang out and talk with fellow voters, or do you want a thread that doesn't get off track so easily?

I like being able to discuss whatever, but I do understand that off-topic chatter can deter participation. Maybe some kind of balance would work best, as in off-topic chat could be allowed, but limited in some way, at least during matches or during peak hours or something to that effect.


Do you just want to post your vote and leave it at that or would you want an contest that runs on a structure?

Structure? I like having themes and special round formats (e.g., groups/pools, pseudo round robin), but I think they need to be relatively simple so as not to deter voters. Themes could always be made optional, but I kind of like having a contest where they're required as long as they are neither too complicated nor too restrictive. An example of too restrictive, for me, is requiring the vote to be based on appearance or else be creative in nature; personally, I hate voting based on appearance and I'm not always feeling creative, so I'd prefer to have a broader set of options.


Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?

Powers can be fun, but if they're to be implemented again, I believe they need to be balanced. As others have said, the Platinum Power can be very broken; it was a good idea to make it powerful given how much effort and creativity you required a vote to have for it to earn someone the power, but it was a bit too powerful. I agree with the earlier suggestion that powers should be either nerfed or removed in later rounds since having a character advance to the finals because of powers can be very frustrating for those whose last remaining pick in the tournament loses because of a power imbalance; earlier on, it's not as bad, but at that point in the tournament, it can be very frustrating. So powers are alright if they're balanced in terms of effect and/or how they are earned.


Should characters eliminated just stay that way?

I like the idea of characters coming back from defeat, but I think a loser's bracket needs to be arranged in such a way that characters really have to fight for a chance to come back. I don't have any specific ideas, but something a bit more competitive than what was done in Summer-Autumn Best Girl; maybe it was just me, but I felt like it was a little too easy to have characters progress through the loser's bracket. This isn't too big of a deal for me personally, though.
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Felstalker wrote:
Best Tournament of Tournaments!


Which tournament is the best tournament....EVAH! Nominate your pick!


It's a stupid idea.


AnimeKami actually did this lol
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hayate_sensei_853 wrote:



Should characters eliminated just stay that way?

I like the idea of characters coming back from defeat, but I think a loser's bracket needs to be arranged in such a way that characters really have to fight for a chance to come back. I don't have any specific ideas, but something a bit more competitive than what was done in Summer-Autumn Best Girl; maybe it was just me, but I felt like it was a little too easy to have characters progress through the loser's bracket. This isn't too big of a deal for me personally, though.


I didn't participate in the SUmmer-Autumn Best girl contest, so I dont know how the bracket was handled.


But the idea of a Losers Bracket isn't "Revenge of the fallen" so much as an attempt at fair treatment. You sometimes get the unlucky pairing of the two most popular characters in the entire tournament really early on. So by the end of the entire Tournament, the 2nd place isn't actually the 2nd most popular character, but rather the possible 3rd best outcome.

In Fighting Game Tournaments, at least the 3 to 4 or so I've been too, the Losers Bracket is damn important! What if you and the best guy fight in round 1 and have quite the epic match and what not? When you lose and fall out of the Winners Bracket, you fall into the losers bracket and now fight anybody and everybody who lost in similar style. The winner of the loser bracket goes into the Championship round.


Stay, Person A and B are the final round in the Winners bracket, A wins and B is now thrown into the losers bracket. C now faces B, if B wins B just goes back into the ring with Person A for a second go at a championship match, while if B loses it's now C who stands at the 2nd place if A still wins. That's the main purpose of a Losers Bracket, to fix the unfortunate effect of having two of your best go off in round 1.


Now, this isn't really perfect for contests such as this in which it's a popularity contest through Voting rather than some skill based challenge of people. So I don't feel a loser bracket is as important.
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Posted 2/7/15 , edited 2/7/15

Felstalker wrote:

I didn't participate in the SUmmer-Autumn Best girl contest, so I dont know how the bracket was handled.


To answer this, basically we went through the whole format of the Tourney with Nominations out of the 61 that were eliminated, with those being eliminated earlier getting a weighted vote multiplier. Then was a Round Robin out of the 8 that made it through with the Top 4 moving on to 1v1s and then we had a final between the Top 2, with the winner making it back in to the main competition for the finals.

I think that it was done fairly well, since each were given a fair chance, rather than the ROTF fallen rounds from the Midyear Best Girl/Guy.



Thanks to all of you that have responded with your feedback so far.

I had planned to address the chatter and the Powers problems in the next thread, so rest assured that those will be improved.

Edit: I'd also like to elaborate on the vote and forget vs structure question. What this means is would you rather have something where you simply vote on something and the one with the most votes wins or would you want something where you have to fight for pick to win?
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Do you want somewhere to hang out and talk with fellow voters, or do you want a thread that doesn't get off track so easily?
If I want to hang out I go on a hang out thread. I'm better with Tourney remaining votes / campaigning posts. Then this is an organic thing and you can go from campaigning to chatting eventually, or you can blow some steam after your characters were eliminated. My point : votes / campaigning shall be majority of posts.

Do you just want to post your vote and leave it at that or would you want an contest that runs on a structure?
I like the Ballot_Bot system. I also like the idea of themes for expressing your support (like say why you would hang out with the character, say how it reminds you of a relative, etc...) it's more fun for voters that stay from start to end. For the rest I would keep the voting simple : it's better for new voters to enter the fray.

Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?
Anything that creates inequalities among voters is deterrent for new voters in my mind. I didn't enter your contest because of this.

Should characters eliminated just stay that way?
This one's tough... I think if come backs are possible, then the tourney gonna be longer and people might loose interest, but at the same time you keep the people hoping for the come back...

Ideas :
Run tourney with a theme, and shorter. Like "better fighter 2014", "better tsundere 2014", "better villain 2014"...
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One thing that would be fun is having some gimmick rounds.
Examples: Tag team round in which a duo a character is against another duo or revenge round in which characters who were defeated early go against those who had the least amount of votes. Or anyone really.

You know, just some random stuff that could make the tourney more chaotic interesting and surprising.
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I had two other thoughts last night.

1) Administrators have every right to vote for characters they like, but blatant campaigning should be out as It raises questions about impartiality in the contest.

2) Administrators should be odd in number so as to reduce the chance of gridlock in case the administrators need to take a vote on something. Yes, I know the likelihood of a gridlock developing is slight, but there is a chance. Why do you think that supreme courts have odd numbers?
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