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Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?
Anything that creates inequalities among voters is deterrent for new voters in my mind. I didn't enter your contest because of this.



What if they were geared towards giving newer voters more power?
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Then it will piss the long time voters. It's not a real better solution if you ask me.
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1) There was a point in the last tounrey where 8 characters were paired off, you voted and this was repeated three times in succession where the four characters with the most wins (or in the case of a tie the character with the most cumulative votes) advanced. I'm not into this too much in the first place but that repetitiveness really wore me out.

I'd prefer whether someone advances or not to be decided in a single round even among multiple pairings.


2) I don't like powers because it changes the paradigm from "Whoever gets the most votes wins" to "Whichever side collects the most points (or uses the most negates) wins". I don't like gamifying the process like this, I would want each vote to be worth exactly one point. But I don't mind powers that don't change anything and can add suspense.

For example if there's a random lottery to pick someone who voted in round N and they get to choose two characters to face off against each other in round N+1 (this was part of the gold or platinum power or something). I don't mind this because it adds suspense without changing the outcome, the final winner will still be whoever is ultimately undefeated.

More powers like that which can add unexpected twists without influencing the votes I like.


3) And lastly I don't like themed rounds, I want to see why someone likes a character in their own words or whatever without prompting. If they want to do this through a haiku or a story or a song or an essay or a collage or a silly sentence fragment about boob size I don't really care so long as it's what they feel like saying about that character.

And since most of the themes are in themselves silly (who would win in a fight, for example, is completely irrelevant to which character is actually better--it's understood you should vote for the character you want to win and simply make up a reason as to how they might pull it off) I don't see why people can't just be free to do that themselves if they want.

Optional themes are fine but votes that don't match up with them should not be discounted.


1) The process should be more rapid and less repetitive.
2) Promoting continued participation with powers is fine so long as they don't grant voting power.
3) People should be free to say what they want how they want in their votes.


And as long as we have somewhere else to shoot the breeze I'd prefer the content of the thread to be on topic.
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I think the powers were neat, but the contests can do without them. I don't like the idea that someone will win a very close match because a power made someone's vote worth 2 instead of the usual 1. I think the powers should be used on something more fun like picking the next round's optional theme. And these powers should be very rare, like as rare as the gold-tier powers.

I personally don't mind a contest goes offtrack and into absolute chaos, but I'm saying that from a vet's perspective. If I were a new voter and the entire thread went into a back and forth of "INAHO IS BETTER THAN SLAINE!" "YOUR OPINION IS SHIT!" "SLAINE'S MY BABY " (this is just an extreme random example. We're much more civil than that )...well, as a new voter, I would feel pretty uncomfortable if my vote was in between all the chatter.

So maybe you can have a separate thread where everyone can just discuss and be their wacky selves. Though it makes me wonder what the point of that is when we have past contest threads to chat with everyone, at least 3 in fact. I would also prefer if all the salt and victory cheers and general complaints not be in the voting thread. So basically 95% is for voting, campaigns, rules, and updates. The other 5% would be I guess hype and a little bit of comments since people like me would get a bit lazy to go to the other thread to post their table flipping and shirt twirling gifs. Ok...90% for the serious stuff, 10% craziness.

And the themes should be optional. I don't want to have to vote for someone based on their appearance. Like for example, there's a match in a Best Guy contest between Tomoe from Kamisama Hajimemashita and he's against Mutta Nanba from Space Brothers. In a normal set up, I would vote for Mutta because overall I think he's a better character. In an appearance set up, I would definitely pick Tomoe's gorgeous face over Mutta's because of preference of character design rather than preference of character (though Mutta's afro is glorious!). The theme completely changed my vote.

Also, I think quoting one admin or ballot_box should be used to count votes. Makes it easier to find them under a sea of campaigns and such.
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So I ask you, users of Crunchyroll, What would you like to see?



Do you want somewhere to hang out and talk with fellow voters, or do you want a thread that doesn't get off track so easily?


I'm going to push your idea you made a couple of days ago and I even proposed this idea a while back, but lorreen said no way. Though, your idea is much more refined than mine:

Have an official Tourney Chat Thread made by Ballot_Bot

This way admins of each tourney could manage the thread to their liking and since Ballot_Bot is handed over to each new admin(s). Then it would be run and regulated by those particular admins of the current tourney.

This way off-topic discussion can have a place forever, without having to distract voting and on-topic discussion in the actual tourney thread(s). I understand that there will be cases of multiple tourneys going on at the same time, but some type of agreement can be reached. Also since Tourney Chat Thread is universal and mods have access to Ballot_Bot, it wouldn't be too hard to manage. Keep all off topic discussion in one thread. That shouldn't be too hard to ask for.

lorreen told me a while ago to just talk in older Tourney threads, but I believe that just floods the front page with all these tourney threads that could be confusing to newcomers. It's best to just have a universal tourney chat thread. Avid, you should (and I should too), try to push this idea on lorreen since I think it's something that would be very beneficial to everyone.


Do you just want to post your vote and leave it at that or would you want an contest that runs on a structure?


Structure is fine I guess? I'm not sure what you mean by that one. If you're comparing let's say, our threads to the Annual Season Awards, then I'd say I like how our tourneys have more incentive to stay and discuss things.


Do you think that having gimmicks like powers add or detract from the contest?


No, I do not like powers (as you already know). I think scrapping powers altogether would be the best course of action. One-person-per-vote.


Should characters eliminated just stay that way?


Hmmm this is a tough one. I'll say that while I'm very happy that Rin came back from the dead and won the whole thing on your tournament, I think the loser's bracket was a bit too late in the set up. For example, I like how chrome managed her Revenge of the Fallen match. It was right in the middle of the competition and it was a lot harder for those titles to make it back (none them even made it through after the RotF). In your's Rin was put right into the finals immediately. It made it a little unfair imo. Again I'm happy to see win, but by that time all the Sento hype had died down and Rin was more in the spotlight since she just got out of the Loser's Pool.

Either have the RotF in the middle-ish or just don't have it at all.

Posted 2/7/15

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Should characters eliminated just stay that way?
Sort of ambivalent on the whole losers bracket.

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This came up in another thread, but I'll post it here to.

Have a Best Studio of 2014 thread.
The tournament would compare the studios based on the different shows they made last year.

I'd be willing to help run it if anyone likes the idea and wants to be lead admin.
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Okay so to give people an idea of what I'm thinking powers would be like in the next contest, they'd work as basically lifelines.

You get 3 for the whole contest, each varying from what you can do. There won't be any vote count manipulation this time with powers adding more votes.

They will essentially be things like, allowing you to change your vote, setting up a match, issuing a challenge or the like. A rare special event would happen every 1000 pages where a lottery would be held and a select few who make it on the page would win one of their lifelines back.

Does that sound like a better idea, yay or nay?

Would new voter's be able to understand something like this easily?
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I'm not sure it would be as psychologically fun to start with things you then spend instead of getting things as you go along you then use. It's like the difference between your loadout and killstreaks. If powers are made baseline I think the excitement factor they give feels diminished/negated. Plus they'd then also fail to incentivize steady participation.

What is it that powers should accomplish/incentivize?
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If I were given these powers in the beginning, I'd try to save them for later rounds, then forget their existence until someone reminds me. The special event on the 1000 page sounds hilarious though. I personally liked the scramble to be on a x00 pages and special number pages. I still remember that MURICA page from a few contests back.

Vote changes, I can get behind. Match set ups should be rare. Challenges are always fun if they're reasonable.

I also like how CR picks has a schedule on when the rounds are coming up.

As for whether people will get confused...that would probably depend on how you write them, probably.
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