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Posted 2/14/15 , edited 7/5/17
Both Koreas are ass.
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With political instability in South Korea and the recent nuclear test in North Korea the situation is becoming tricky indeed.

The five UN powers are now in agreement for increased sanctions on the North, who might use the transition in the U.S. as an opportunity to strike.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/un-close-approving-new-sanctions-north-korea-its-export-earnings-diplomats-say-1593567
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Well they have an ICBM. Ambassador Haley said U.S. is gonna sanction so more. She hinted they might even sanction China now because they actually grew trade with North Korea.
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they just trying to proove their so call superiority
only causing problem.
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I heard that they recently got an ICBM semi operational now.

Once United States declares war, I'm signing up for what may be the stupidest reasons ever.

NK is a threat to the biggest exporters of my hobbies (Japan and South Korea), and I want a free trip to Asia. I'm a sad weeb who has more patriotism for anime and video games then I do for my own country. :P

Edit: forgot to mention this, but odds are, NK is full of shit, and they aren't nearly as close to having a functional ICBM as they claim. Also, SK recently had an election, and according to people from SK, NK acts up whenever they have one.
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Lance_Clemings wrote:

I heard that they recently got an ICBM semi operational now..


Well, hey, "semi" is as far as they've ever gotten up until now, gotta give them that.
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Hate to say it but a attack on U.S. might be the only thing that would unify the country. Government and the press hate each other and the voters are caught in the middle. Another Pearl Harbor would do it. Because a preemptive strike would cause more blaming and bickering.
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North Korea are going to get pounded from all sides.
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1 - Don't believe the news. I spent time in the US Navy, and I spent time very near that area of the world. I also pay attention to actual experts in the field of international politics, not propaganda. I can tell you from first-hand experience that North Korea is a paper tiger being dangled in front of the American people to justify certain military and political policies that would be unpopular if there were no immediate enemy in the region.

2 - We are still at war with North Korea. There was a ceasefire signed, but never a peace treaty. We have troops and equipment on the border in South Korea ready to go at any time. We have kept them there since the 1950s.

3 - Japan and South Korea both have treaties with the US so that in the event of an attack on either of them from North Korea, the US would be legally required to intervene. Japan is actually a protectorate of the US, and has been since the end of WWII. Due to these treaties and item 2, any actual attack made by North Korea would be suicidal for them.

4 - Several years ago, the then Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, went to North Korea and reported that Kim was a very charismatic and intelligent man. She also reported that the ENTIRE GOAL of North Korea's nuclear program is to create a bargaining chip that can be traded away in exchange for a lifting of trade sanctions against them (which were imposed upon them many decades ago).

5 - Some argue that war with North Korea would result in war with China, since China is the only real supporter of North Korea. In fact, we are already (still) at war with North Korea, and NK is becoming increasingly unpopular in China. Furthermore, the US is China's largest customer. The vast majority of our consumer electronics, as well as nearly all the rare-earth materials (lithium, neodymium, etc.) we use in the US are purchased from China. There are currently more millionaires in China than there are total people in the US (they have a population of like 3 BILLION, so that isn't too far off), and this is largely because of our trade relations with them. China has no desire to war with the US, because doing so would be financially disastrous (and all wars boil down to money in the end).

6 - Kim has no real power. He is the grandson of the Hero of the communist revolution. His daddy was the son of the hero of the revolution (who was groomed for power from youth). Kim Un is a very young, spoiled kid. If you were a general who worked for the hero of the revolution and his son for 40 years, would you listen to a club kid with no military or management experience? North Korea is, for all intents and purposes, run by the old soldiers and politicians who worked under Kim Jong-il.

Ultimately, North Korea is a battered place being run by a handful of greedy (but not stupid) elitists who want to use propaganda and sabre-rattling to gain economic advantages for themselves. The leaders in North Korea know that open warfare is sucidal, but that their economic standing is rubbish, so they continue to step up the posturing and propaganda in hopes that when bargaining eventually does occur, they can "give up" in excange for opening trade. Meanwhile, the US trumps up stories about North Korea to justify military presence and expense in the South Pacific. The whole thing on both sides is a stupid game played for money. North Korea is not a real problem or threat.
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MysticGon wrote:
Hate to say it but a attack on U.S. might be the only thing that would unify the country. Government and the press hate each other and the voters are caught in the middle. Another Pearl Harbor would do it. Because a preemptive strike would cause more blaming and bickering.


Honestly, I doubt even that would unify the country.

Although North Korea is seriously pushing its luck. They're not dealing with a reserved US anymore. They're dealing with a US president that can actually be provoked. The moment they definitively prove they have a missile that can hit even just mainland Japan is the moment their country gets reduced to fire and ash. A war where the US doesn't have to deal with insurgents, territory control, multiple intermingled factions, etc etc and just has a single enemy with a traditional standing army and military facilities? Holy shit.

It'd be like laser guided Christmas.
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dark_paradox_21 wrote:
Ultimately, North Korea is a battered place being run by a handful of greedy (but not stupid) elitists who want to use propaganda and sabre-rattling to gain economic advantages for themselves. The leaders in North Korea know that open warfare is sucidal, but that their economic standing is rubbish, so they continue to step up the posturing and propaganda in hopes that when bargaining eventually does occur, they can "give up" in excange for opening trade. Meanwhile, the US trumps up stories about North Korea to justify military presence and expense in the South Pacific. The whole thing on both sides is a stupid game played for money. North Korea is not a real problem or threat.


The mistake they're making is that they're now dealing with a US president that actually believes them. >.>
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MysticGon wrote:
Hate to say it but a attack on U.S. might be the only thing that would unify the country. Government and the press hate each other and the voters are caught in the middle. Another Pearl Harbor would do it. Because a preemptive strike would cause more blaming and bickering.


Honestly, I doubt even that would unify the country.

Although North Korea is seriously pushing its luck. They're not dealing with a reserved US anymore. They're dealing with a US president that can actually be provoked. The moment they definitively prove they have a missile that can hit even just mainland Japan is the moment their country gets reduced to fire and ash. A war where the US doesn't have to deal with insurgents, territory control, multiple intermingled factions, etc etc and just has a single enemy with a traditional standing army and military facilities? Holy shit.

It'd be like laser guided Christmas.


Yeah when it comes to traditional, nuke-less warfare it would be a one-sided affair no matter who the enemy is. It would be a damn shame if it came to that but Kim is insane and Trump has a short fuse. Bad combination.
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Can't wait for all the country to shutdown and the US gets flooded by so the NK cuties. NK - pop becomes a thing. Kim actually becomes a Manga writer after the collapse. A best seller
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dark_paradox_21 wrote:


4 - Several years ago, the then Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, went to North Korea and reported that Kim was a very charismatic and intelligent man. She also reported that the ENTIRE GOAL of North Korea's nuclear program is to create a bargaining chip that can be traded away in exchange for a lifting of trade sanctions against them (which were imposed upon them many decades ago).


In fact, weren't some analysts back during the Clinton era saying that NK was so desperate to get the trade sanctions lifted, some of their officials were making early signs about getting down to the bargaining table?

And then GW Bush was elected, decided to scare us all on his Big Important I'm-Really-President-Now Inauguration Day by declaring that NK was partners with Iran and Iraq in their "Axis of Evil", and....oh, Dubya, you keep doing this to us. Just when we're ready to forgive history and say that you were "better than Trump", we just think back on eight years of a guy who had no clue what he was doing either.



7. Their "Saber-rattling" is so stuck in the wartime 50's, just after the Revolution, it not only sounds fifty years out of date, but still uses the "glorious" and "epic" hyperbole that even China gave up on when they started courting the West's favor.
Now their promises of "mass destruction" sound uncannily like a cowardly nerd trying too hard to scare-bluff his way out of a fight with the bigger, more experienced bullies, with no real practical experience at making threats they can back up with any plausible degree of confidence.
At worst, they sound like the narcissistic fantasies of Internet trolls trying to giggle and provoke, and we've already got one of those, thank you. And we don't pay any attention to him, either.

The only people who aren't laughing themselves silly or making high-school-hallway metaphors at Kim's unresearched imitations of war-posturing from eras he wasn't alive to see, are those from category 1, who WANT to believe that we still have a Mortal Enemy in Asia, now that the Cold War is over and China wants to be our trading partner.
And puts even that support squarely in the reaction of "Oh, you have GOT to be f***in' kidding...Did we mention the one where they tried to threaten us with six troop carriers, and three of them turned out to be Photoshopped?"

Lately, the Defense's attempt to up the "threat" and justify more military spending has been trying to persuade the public "No, they are not incompetent!...This was a real missile, this time, so quit laughing! And we've already done the premature-ejaculation jokes about 'Don't worry, just try again later'--Geez, those jokes get old after the first hundred times!"
And it still doesn't quite work.
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The way that people are being treated there isn't right at all. For people to be starving, dealing with sickness, and unreasonable conditions is inhumane If I could, I would help the people there to make their country a better place. I mean, their treatment by the superiors is completely wrong


There is no such thing as an innocent. No government can act without at least the passive approval of the people. If the farmers stop farming, the politicians starve. If the soldiers put down their guns, the politicians are just old men who yell and wave their arms. No government in the history of the world has held territory against a hostile civilian population for any great length of time. That is why propaganda is so important - to convince the people to want the government.

Conditions in North Korea are bad, but not quite as bad as US propaganda makes them out to be. When the people there get sick of how things are, they will change. That is how history works. There is nothing that you or anyone else possibly could do to change that.

Feeling bad for people who sold themselves out is senseless.
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