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Assisted Suicide - Dignitas
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Posted 2/11/15
I watched my parent's slow deaths,(pancreatic cancer,mom liver failure,dad),. All they had was pain and incoherence. The hospital withdrew hydration to hasten their deaths. Still they lasted for more than a week almost two.
I would like the choice for myself.
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Let's just say I'm all for it. My reasons are deeply personal and discussing them is painful.

I do not think Dignitas goes far enough. I want to be able to, while I am still of at least sound mind even if not body, issue a legal directive stating my wish for death in the event of my terminal incapacity.

I want the option to be available with a medical power of attorney as well, so that I can designate a proxy to make the decision on my behalf if necessary. This would be in case of sudden deterioration--I'm ill or injured, but expected to recover, and then complications arise and my prospects look grim.

I don't want to just waste away in a hospice bed.
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After thinking about this for a while, I can't think of an answer suitable answer for a topic like this, I mean even thinking about the thought of suicide disturbs me. As Iv'e never had to deal with anyone I have ever known committing suicide I'm not quite sure how to approach this. However I do not agree with suicide, as there are already many things that can take your life in this world, and including yourself with that list makes it even worse. But once again I haven't had to deal with disease or depression so I have no clue, if I developed cancer or some kind deadly disease my views on this could change instantly. Although there are also a lot of things that could go wrong with a program like this, but since someone else already read my mind I'll just quote them.

Morbidhanson wrote:

I am in favor of allowing physician-assisted suicide. It's a really hairy situation, though. I foresee many problems.

The problems mainly lie in the procedures we have to go through to get permission for one. What does the terminally ill patient have to do to provide express permission? What if his illness prevents him from doing that? Should families be allowed to provide consent for a loved one? What measures can be taken to prevent mistake? Should the patient be allowed to choose the doctor that fulfills this request? How long should the approval process take? Etc.

There are also moral ramifications with this. Will many doctors be able to handle it? How will society react to doctors who do this? Should doctors be paid more to do this? Will this cause doctors to make very dire diagnoses that cause a patient to choose assisted suicide since doctors know they will be paid? What would happen if doctors received no or little pay for performing assisted suicides?

I do not support assisted suicide if no competent medical professionals are involved. There's no need to bring back 'executioner' as a job description.


This would basically add to the stress that doctors already have to deal with, and doctors already have one of the highest suicide rates currently out of any occupation.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I'm against some forms of what you said. Especially with the healthy but suicidal. Very few people want to die if they can help it. Even if someone is depressed, it's a mental illness that needs to be treated, nothing more. I'm against it if the person is reasonably healthy. I don't want people to commit suicide if they can help it, it's too sad.


It's not sad to me; it's liberating.

There is actually no good reason for someone to keep living, it's not like the human species is endangered or a particular person has special antibody to fight an oncoming epidemic.

And I find it quite ironic, to be honest, the same people who are against suicide are the same people who are the first to bring out some sentences from an ancient fairy tale to condemn said suicidal person. For example, that transgendered teenager who committed suicide because her Christian parents condemned her.


Now you might say... the teen could be treated with counselling etc. But in my opinion, you can't treat someone if their family is against their way of living/their existence/whole being in the first place. Families and friends are the most important people you look to for acceptance and approval as a child/teenager.


So in that case, I feel like it's better for her to be dead than keep living while being rejected by the people you love the most. Sure, in a few years time, she might meet people who accept her... but when your immediate families don't accept you, you're still suffering internally.

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LordZamzar wrote:

After thinking about this for a while, I can't think of an answer suitable answer for a topic like this, I mean even thinking about the thought of suicide disturbs me. As Iv'e never had to deal with anyone I have ever known committing suicide I'm not quite sure how to approach this. However I do not agree with suicide, as there are already many things that can take your life in this world, and including yourself with that list makes it even worse. But once again I haven't had to deal with disease or depression so I have no clue, if I developed cancer or some kind deadly disease my views on this could change instantly. Although there are also a lot of things that could go wrong with a program like this, but since someone else already read my mind I'll just quote them.

Morbidhanson wrote:

I am in favor of allowing physician-assisted suicide. It's a really hairy situation, though. I foresee many problems.

The problems mainly lie in the procedures we have to go through to get permission for one. What does the terminally ill patient have to do to provide express permission? What if his illness prevents him from doing that? Should families be allowed to provide consent for a loved one? What measures can be taken to prevent mistake? Should the patient be allowed to choose the doctor that fulfills this request? How long should the approval process take? Etc.

There are also moral ramifications with this. Will many doctors be able to handle it? How will society react to doctors who do this? Should doctors be paid more to do this? Will this cause doctors to make very dire diagnoses that cause a patient to choose assisted suicide since doctors know they will be paid? What would happen if doctors received no or little pay for performing assisted suicides?

I do not support assisted suicide if no competent medical professionals are involved. There's no need to bring back 'executioner' as a job description.


This would basically add to the stress that doctors already have to deal with, and doctors already have one of the highest suicide rates currently out of any occupation.


Yeah, I realize my stance isn't perfect. It's hard to come up with a plan that satisfies everyone with these sorts of controversial things.

I know there are people out there who CAN do it, though. Helping a person die in a dignified way still is pretty important. And so is the well-being of doctors. It's not easy.
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GayAsianBoy wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I'm against some forms of what you said. Especially with the healthy but suicidal. Very few people want to die if they can help it. Even if someone is depressed, it's a mental illness that needs to be treated, nothing more. I'm against it if the person is reasonably healthy. I don't want people to commit suicide if they can help it, it's too sad.


It's not sad to me; it's liberating.

There is actually no good reason for someone to keep living, it's not like the human species is endangered or a particular person has special antibody to fight an oncoming epidemic.

And I find it quite ironic, to be honest, the same people who are against suicide are the same people who are the first to bring out some sentences from an ancient fairy tale to condemn said suicidal person. For example, that transgendered teenager who committed suicide because her Christian parents condemned her.


Now you might say... the teen could be treated with counselling etc. But in my opinion, you can't treat someone if their family is against their way of living/their existence/whole being in the first place. Families and friends are the most important people you look to for acceptance and approval as a child/teenager.


So in that case, I feel like it's better for her to be dead than keep living while being rejected by the people you love the most. Sure, in a few years time, she might meet people who accept her... but when your immediate families don't accept you, you're still suffering internally.

__________

There is no difference between dying now, and dying later. Everyone dies in the end. It's not sad or exciting.


While people who are persecuted have my sympathy, I think this is a piss poor reason to kill yourself. It's one thing to have a terminal illness and not want to suffer. It's another thing to kill yourself because you're too weak to handle criticism or rejection.

Families break up and destroy each other all the time. It happened with my father's family. No one committed suicide then. It was considered, but wisely avoided.

The point of this life is to live the dream, whatever that may be. And if some asshat gets in your way, whether it be family or not, then fuck 'em.
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I agree, it would be impossible to know what would happen without it actually happening, I'm pretty interested to see how this thing turns out in the end. I'm really surprised no one has exploded in a fit of rage yet, bashing someone else's opinion. Great job guys .
Posted 2/11/15
If made legal there need to be a clear why and how is done otherwise it can be abuse, by people trying to kill other people or the patient not being fit to make such a important decision. I know what I'm talking about since I manege to caught somebody I love in the act of trying to kill them self.
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If you want to kill yourself, why not? Sex and abortion aren't illegal and both either create or destroy life that isn't yours. Why should a decision that primarily affects yourself in such a large way be illegal? What are they gonna do, arrest you for killing yourself?

But assisted suicide is something else, and I'm not sold on it.


Edit: Perhaps I should point out that any number of dangerous activities, eating unhealthy foods, smoking, etc, are all killing yourself slowly (high-risk activities may not be so slow); and most aren't illegal. It's only illegal because of the repercussions, which could be minimized.

On a personal note, I think suicide is like masochism; it is ridiculous and in most cases a mental issue of some kind. Maybe just a lack of mental fortitude. I can't imagine a scenario other than living torture where I would want such a thing. Maybe my imagination sucks. Who knows.
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Should be allowed.
Posted 2/12/15

GayAsianBoy wrote:


PeripheralVisionary wrote:

I'm against some forms of what you said. Especially with the healthy but suicidal. Very few people want to die if they can help it. Even if someone is depressed, it's a mental illness that needs to be treated, nothing more. I'm against it if the person is reasonably healthy. I don't want people to commit suicide if they can help it, it's too sad.


It's not sad to me; it's liberating.

There is actually no good reason for someone to keep living, it's not like the human species is endangered or a particular person has special antibody to fight an oncoming epidemic.

And I find it quite ironic, to be honest, the same people who are against suicide are the same people who are the first to bring out some sentences from an ancient fairy tale to condemn said suicidal person. For example, that transgendered teenager who committed suicide because her Christian parents condemned her.


Now you might say... the teen could be treated with counselling etc. But in my opinion, you can't treat someone if their family is against their way of living/their existence/whole being in the first place. Families and friends are the most important people you look to for acceptance and approval as a child/teenager.


So in that case, I feel like it's better for her to be dead than keep living while being rejected by the people you love the most. Sure, in a few years time, she might meet people who accept her... but when your immediate families don't accept you, you're still suffering internally.

__________

There is no difference between dying now, and dying later. Everyone dies in the end. It's not sad or exciting.


I don't want people to die if they can help it, there's is a difference between dying now and dying later. You're gay for crying out loud, you know how many gay teenagers kill themselves because they were ostracized? I want people to live because I don't believe you can find happiness in death. I admit, you can't change your family at times or other people, but you can change how you feel about your situation.
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Ooohh, boy...

Alright. This is a difficult issue for me, not because I have any personal experience with it, but because although I feel inclined to lean towards the "for" side, I can easily understand some of the perfectly valid arguments against it. Then again, all the arguments I can see against it can be somewhat reasonably dealt with with safeguards in place.

Of course, I'm only for this in extreme cases. For example, some people, who may have diseases that will inevitably render them paralysed and unable to look after themselves, may want to kill themselves before that happens and their quality of life vastly decreases. Forcing someone to stay alive when they're suffering and want to die, although I know it's well-intentioned, prompts me to draw up comparisons with torture. A big leap, I know, but how else would you describe it? If you're in excruciating pain every day, or are unable to function at all without help, and you want to die, why would you not have the right to seek help to kill yourself?

Of course, there would also be people in the same situation who wouldn't want to die and would want to make the most out of their lives, and, of course, that's fine, too. I would assume all of us here don't live in a dictatorship. People have the capacity to choose what they feel is best for themselves.

And I'm going to contradict myself, here, because while I think that when it comes to assisted suicide, people should be able to choose for themselves, I think it should be reserved for the most serious of illnesses, and also a last resort in most cases. If someone is told that they're going to be completely paralysed, I wouldn't want suicide to be the first thing that pops into their head. When life presents you with an obstacle it would be reasonable to at least try to overcome it, or find another path, before just accepting defeat.

And as you can probably tell, although I'm kind of for it, for this issue, although I think people should have the right to do as they please with their lives, I would like people to do what's best for their lives...

I like that... What you want may not be what's best for you. ~ Frenzify. 2015.
Posted 2/12/15
It's a very grey topic for me. I couldn't say whether I'm for or against it as a whole; I could only gauge it in a case by case scenario. I suppose I'd lean more towards for than against in most cases- simply because I've seen far too many botched attempts at suicide. It's sad when someone gives up on life and chooses to opt out. It's worse when someone tries to give up on life and ends up becoming a vegetable or a quadriplegic. That's my stance, anyway.

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Instead of figuring out how to help people kill themselves how about we put more effort in figuring out how to help them live? Just a thought...
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