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Assisted Suicide - Dignitas
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Posted 2/12/15
I fully support assisted suicide. If someone is in pain they should have the right to end it by there own terms. They should be allowed to die with some dignity.
Posted 2/12/15 , edited 2/12/15
The right to die is bullshit. What, are we going to stop suicide prevention? Please, that's asinine to think anyone wants to kill themselves. Sure, terminal cancer? Depression? Fuck no. I will never stand by and watch someone die because of a shallow reason like that. There is a difference between dying now and dying later. Otherwise, what's the point of assisted suicide, other than to end pain early?
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The right to die is bullshit. What, are we going to stop suicide prevention? Please, that's asinine to think anyone wants to kill themselves. Sure, terminal cancer? Depression? Fuck no. I will never stand by and watch someone die because of a shallow reason like that. There is a difference between dying now and dying later. Otherwise, what's the point of assisted suicide, other than to end pain early?



The whole subject is confusing, because this is about dignity and what it means to different people. Saying terminal cancer is fine while depression is no excuse makes sense, but it means that there's some conditionality that has to be defined, and good luck doing that without a whole heap of bullshit.

The decision to have assisted suicide by somebody who finds out they have terminal cancer can easily be driven entirely by depression. So here our acceptance is more about what we see as dignified living/death ourselves, to which I have to say that I personally think dying an unavoidable, painful, and all around terrible death when you know it's coming is a pretty dignified way to go, certainly no less dignified is having the guts and resolve to say you want some control over something that is literally destroying your body and more-than-likely destroying your psyche.

Putting the burden of medical expense on your family because you want to cling to something that you know you will lose in the worst way, or putting your family through the trauma of a rash suicide because you don't like the quality of your life both seem fairly undignified to me. But these are conditions that should not always make or break whether we accept the decision. Each person has a very different view on dignity, and I cannot say one way or the other whether my view is correct for anybody but myself. I might argue my views against theirs, but we have no right to another person's decision about what a dignified death is.

http://blogs.vancouversun.com/2013/08/07/alzheimers-patient-right-to-die-case-now-before-the-supreme-court-of-bc/

This is a different case. It is about a former nurse who in the mid-90s, before actually becoming ill, left a living will that said something along the lines of "If I can no longer think, or if I can no longer speak or move, I want my caretakers to stop giving me food and water so that I may die." She's a former nurse, so she knew about what happens during seriously debilitating conditions like Alzheimer's and what happens to somebody when you stop giving them food or water. She was of sound mind when she very deliberately laid out the conditions under which she wanted to stop being fed.

For the past 8 years she's had full Alzheimer's, she cannot recognize anyone or speak, she hardly moves. Her brain is changed, she is no longer the person she was and she cannot live without full-time care. The nursing home she was admitted to refuses to accept her living will and continues feeding her. They believe in this because when they poke her mouth with a spoonful of food five or six times, she opens her mouth and accepts the food, which to them means she has a will to live and her wishes have changed since issuing her living will. This woman's husband and daughter are fighting in court for her living will to be carried out, granting her the right-to-die, because while she was healthy there was lots of discussion about what to do in basically this exact scenario.

A judge sided with the nursing home, the ruling is being appealed by her closest family. I'm curious how you would rule in this case.
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Posted 2/13/15
i support it in case of medical situations.
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I think assisted suicide is fine. A persons life is there own to do what ever they wish with it. If they are suffering and can not put an end to it then having a doctor assist them is fine in my eyes.
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I'm a supporter as well. While I'd try and convince someone not to commit suicide if I encountered someone considering it, in the end, it's their life, and I have no right to tell them what they should be doing with it. Different people have different reasons for this sort of thing. Some are easier to deal with than others. At the end of the day, if a person really believes that their life is irrevocably damaged, and that they would rather not go through with it, I'm okay with that. To me, life without autonomy isn't living. There's nothing moral about saving a life that wants to end, because you're forcing your own values on another person.

I'm strongly against the demonization of suicide in general, and the issue of assisted suicide is one of the applications of that idea. The way things are now, suicide is a risky, messy, and often grandiose gesture. The fact that suicide is frowned upon as it is means that there are few options for people who seek it. They have to do it secretly or abruptly, without giving anyone any warning, lest they be obstructed, and most of their options are unreliable and could result in their survival - often worse off, from the damage the attempt did. Under this paradigm, suicide is seen as almost a performance - a twisted display of pathos that forcibly draws the unwilling attention of onlookers. The fact is that it doesn't need to be this way. If suicide could be planned and facilitated, the "showmanship" - the very part that makes so many people disgusted by it - could be taken out of the picture in many cases. In a way, it's a vicious cycle: the public opinion of suicide drives people to extremes to accomplish it, making them come across as desperate or deranged, thereby fueling the act's demonization.

Legal assisted suicide could be a dignified procedure, allowing the person to decisively and peacefully end their life, saying the goodbyes they need to, putting their affairs in order, and just generally giving everybody involved a sense of closure that's more or less impossible under the current circumstances. It's paranoid to think that it will "encourage" more suicides. It seems to me that it would in fact prevent some. Having a quiet, legal means of killing oneself could set a standard for the act. The fact that the resource is readily available would make suicide something people would be expected to consider, deeply, before going through with it. If anything, I believe that this would discourage those people who attempt or threaten suicide to confirm whether or not they are valued - "for attention", as some would put it - as they would be more easily identified as doing it for exactly that reason (else, why not just do it the normal way and not make a fuss?). Someone who is simply feeling undervalued and unwanted (a condition that's treatable - even if assistance is required - by fostering relationships or career-seeking) is unlikely to choose a socially accepted and unobstructed route, because such a course prevents them from getting the affirmation they're actually looking for. Societal pressure, more acutely pointed with assisted suicide legalized, could feasibly encourage them to seek healthier ways to find happiness and their place in the world.
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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

The right to die is bullshit. What, are we going to stop suicide prevention? Please, that's asinine to think anyone wants to kill themselves. Sure, terminal cancer? Depression? Fuck no. I will never stand by and watch someone die because of a shallow reason like that. There is a difference between dying now and dying later. Otherwise, what's the point of assisted suicide, other than to end pain early?


The point is to die with some level of dignity when you are still you, your young and more than likely haven't had many deaths in your life yet. By the time I was your age I had lost a grandmother and aunt to cancer was going to lose my paternal grandfather to Alzheimer's in the next couple of years. Both of those diseases robbed them of who they were and in the end with the cancer only large doses of pain medication was effective and then only for a short time.

Death is the great equalizer in our lives it comes for all no matter the status how, when, and who we die with should be our choice. In a few countries even depression is a valid reason for end of life having lived with this myself I can understand why those that do end their lives can only see it as the way out. In some cases there isn't any other option medications don't work and you don't just don't want to continue suffering. Personal I consider it one of the most selfish acts a person can do with no regard for those around them those countries that allow this form of assist suicide take that into account and actually deal with the fall out better than those that don't.

As for pain again you are young and unless you have broken a bone you don't even begin to understand the depths of pain some people are suffering through. Pain that you live with everyday every-time you take a breath make the slightest movement wakes you up when you sleep leaves you in tears because all you want to do is not hurt anymore that level of pain is something I hope you never experience. Pain no medication can stop no matter the amount you take you just hurt all the time.

As for disease that rob us of our lives incurable Cancers, Alzheimer, ALS in the end stages, MS, paralysis and needing life support, the question I will ask is when are you allowed to make a choice about how you will live your life if you can no longer live it? It is a deeply personal answer it isn't one that should or can be forced on you it isn't the same for every person but it is choice that person should be able to make.

All I want is for folks to have the dignity to make that choice because it is the choice I want to be able to make as well and have done so already to the extent that I can where I live I hope that I will live to a ripe old age with my mind intact to enjoy it but if I don't I want to be able to end it when I am still myself.

Posted 2/16/15

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PeripheralVisionary wrote:

The right to die is bullshit. What, are we going to stop suicide prevention? Please, that's asinine to think anyone wants to kill themselves. Sure, terminal cancer? Depression? Fuck no. I will never stand by and watch someone die because of a shallow reason like that. There is a difference between dying now and dying later. Otherwise, what's the point of assisted suicide, other than to end pain early?


The point is to die with some level of dignity when you are still you, your young and more than likely haven't had many deaths in your life yet. By the time I was your age I had lost a grandmother and aunt to cancer was going to lose my paternal grandfather to Alzheimer's in the next couple of years. Both of those diseases robbed them of who they were and in the end with the cancer only large doses of pain medication was effective and then only for a short time.

Death is the great equalizer in our lives it comes for all no matter the status how, when, and who we die with should be our choice. In a few countries even depression is a valid reason for end of life having lived with this myself I can understand why those that do end their lives can only see it as the way out. In some cases there isn't any other option medications don't work and you don't just don't want to continue suffering. Personal I consider it one of the most selfish acts a person can do with no regard for those around them those countries that allow this form of assist suicide take that into account and actually deal with the fall out better than those that don't.

As for pain again you are young and unless you have broken a bone you don't even begin to understand the depths of pain some people are suffering through. Pain that you live with everyday every-time you take a breath make the slightest movement wakes you up when you sleep leaves you in tears because all you want to do is not hurt anymore that level of pain is something I hope you never experience. Pain no medication can stop no matter the amount you take you just hurt all the time.

As for disease that rob us of our lives incurable Cancers, Alzheimer, ALS in the end stages, MS, paralysis and needing life support, the question I will ask is when are you allowed to make a choice about how you will live your life if you can no longer live it? It is a deeply personal answer it isn't one that should or can be forced on you it isn't the same for every person but it is choice that person should be able to make.

All I want is for folks to have the dignity to make that choice because it is the choice I want to be able to make as well and have done so already to the extent that I can where I live I hope that I will live to a ripe old age with my mind intact to enjoy it but if I don't I want to be able to end it when I am still myself.



You misunderstood me. I thought right do die applied to all situations, where life was your own property. Some people define right to die as the right to die for any situation. Which I find to be BS. If people are suicidal, they should by all means be restrained.
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Instead of figuring out how to help people kill themselves how about we put more effort in figuring out how to help them live? Just a thought...
Well ideally assisted suicide should be used to help those suffering painfully from a terminal condition. It is cruel to make someone live their last moments in physical pain and agony. There have been people dying of cancer that had an assisted death, and there are specific conditions that must be met before it is carried out. For example, the person must be mentally stable. So if a person is suffering from extreme depression or is declared insane, they won't be able to utilize this procedure for obvious reasons.
Posted 3/30/15
I would support if were talking about someone who is terminally ill and is able to make their own decisions.
Who are we to decide that a person should still live even though they are suffering and in pain.
I would rather have a loved one pass easily then have to sit here and see them miserable every single day.
Posted 3/30/15 , edited 3/30/15
Fuck assisted suicide. No one has the right to kill themselves. We all die, but its not for us to decide when or how UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

You have terminal lung cancer, die like a man or woman, don't ask for help in taking your life. Pain is inevitable, and I have news for you, so is suffering. It ain't optional. Suicide is a sin.

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I suffer a head injury and top of that I'm diagnosed Major depression and bipolar, but I've became strong to where I don't take any meds, so I'll pass. There's times I wanted to give up,but my body moves on its on out of bed and I'm finding myself doing this and that that's making me happy. So, I'm good. If there's a support system for the quitters then there's should be a support system for the non-quitters like me. I'm not making fun at anyone with an illness by no means, but I've heard people with worse conditions that didn't give up either.
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It seems that people think assisted suicide means assisted suicide in any context.

I'm pretty sure it's meant to be physician assisted suicide for terminally ill or injured patients. Not the depressed, not the insane, not the one with the most money. Terminally ill patients who have medically insignificant chances of recovering, who are in a state of suffering, who make such a decision completely voluntarily.


I've actually seen a video of this. Let's say you somehow got cut in half by a train or a truck and your lower body was mangled and 10 feet away. Your top half is conscious and the blood loss isn't occurring that fast. At that point, I would personally be down for ANY type of assisted suicide. Hell, give me a pistol and I'll do it myself and make it actual suicide.

Or your appendix has ruptured and your body is flooded with bacteria and you are being overcome by a massive, incurable infection.

Or the classic case of terminal cancer. You are too weak for additional treatment and you are relying on massive amounts of painkillers.
Posted 3/30/15
^The distinction is moot. sane ppl deserve no added graces than those that aren't.

Its a sin. One that cannot be forgiven, because you're dead and can't ask.
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Fuck assisted suicide. No one has the right to kill themselves. We all die, but its not for us to decide when or how UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

You have terminal lung cancer, die like a man or woman, don't ask for help in taking your life. Pain is inevitable, and I have news for you, so is suffering. It ain't optional. Suicide is a sin.



Having a right to life means also having a right to die. Do you believe a person does not have a right to life?
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