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That's worse than parents letting their children run around a restaurant and using it like a play ground.

It's very natural for most toddlers to have tantrums. Maybe not 4 year olds. But definitely toddlers. I watched both my little brother and sister grow up, and they were absolute nightmares as toddlers.
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Ah just think how much money they could make for a 5 dollar charge on plane for ear plugs. Yeah always bring a few pairs of ear plugs on a trip.

Still gives me something to think about as certain age requirements like in "When Worlds Collide" for who goes on the rocket. Old enough to be helpful or too young not to be a bother. Great movie, I want a "Melancholia" second movie with the "When Worlds Collide" premise. Or a Samuel Jackson film "Kids On A Plane".
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Sogno- wrote:

I teach toddlers. And yes, they can throw temper tantrums. Some more than others.

it's just part of the age. And it's not always under the parents' control either. Often, but not always. It pisses me off when people say "ugh those parents are awful" or "those stupid children need to shut up". Excuse me. Either you have never been a parent or you've never had a difficult child who did absolutely everything you didn't want him to do despite your best efforts to direct him otherwise or correct his behavior.

And nobody has the right to tell parents, whether they are "bad" or "good" parents, that they can't take their crying kids onto airplanes or even restaurants , despite how much it disturbs your peace.


I understand that kids throw tantrums, I was understanding on the plane for about 2 or 3 hours, but 9 hours of screaming is totally unacceptable. Incessant loud noise has been used to torture people, and that is what it felt like - psychological torture. And my main complaint is that the parents never even tried to reason with the kids, who were old enough to be reasoned with. At some point it needs to be made clear that what they are doing is wrong and cannot continue. These parents were taking turns going to the back of the plane to get away from their own children, who would then scream 'mama' or 'papa' until the parents traded again. At the end of the flight I saw the dad actually smiling in a relaxed way as he chatted with other family members, I have never wanted to hit a person so badly in my life. I am the type to try to not judge others, particularly their parenting - but this was beyond my tolerance by a long, long shot. I am still enraged.
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I'll just leave this here.
I would change panel number 4. Toss the kid out instead, and forget the parachute.

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Parents are scared to hit their children in public, or perhaps at all, so kids often get away with misbehaving.

Honestly, I don't think disciplining or not disciplining kids that young changes the way they grow up in any way. So you may as well hit them when reasonable so they'll behave presently.

Anyway, just wear earplugs, I guess.
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Have you ever reasoned with a hysterical 4 year old? When they are in the middle of a meltdown all you can do is distract them and hope to redirect that energy into a more appropriate behavior. In all my time as an adult, most of it as a child hating yuppie, I have never seen a parent let a kid go unchecked for hours on end. In fact, I have on more than one occasion seen other passengers offering the parents help when a little one is having a rough trip. 9 hours straight? Color me skeptical.

You know what I have been subjected to relentlessly for hours? Belligerent drunks, morbidly obese people, obscenely bad BO, and even worse perfume. At least with a fussy child I know that it will be over in 10-15 minutes and only happen a couple times during a flight. Compared to some of the adults you have to deal with, the children are a treat.
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PapaNeko wrote:

Have you ever reasoned with a hysterical 4 year old? When they are in the middle of a meltdown all you can do is distract them and hope to redirect that energy into a more appropriate behavior. In all my time as an adult, most of it as a child hating yuppie, I have never seen a parent let a kid go unchecked for hours on end. In fact, I have on more than one occasion seen other passengers offering the parents help when a little one is having a rough trip. 9 hours straight? Color me skeptical.

You know what I have been subjected to relentlessly for hours? Belligerent drunks, morbidly obese people, obscenely bad BO, and even worse perfume. At least with a fussy child I know that it will be over in 10-15 minutes and only happen a couple times during a flight. Compared to some of the adults you have to deal with, the children are a treat.


I'm not surprised you're skeptical, but there was maybe one hour of quiet for the entire 9 hour trip - I'm dead serious. I said that the two of them were tag-teaming, and I meant it. One would sleep while the other screamed, and then they would trade. I have never appreciated quiet so much in my life, so I was quite aware of the length of it. The parents were one row ahead of us, so it was easy to tell that there wasn't any reasoning going on, occasional shushes and nothing more. No angry whisper, nothing.

I'm not usually a kid hater, but this was beyond tolerance.

I haven't ever had to reason with a 4 year old, but I have seen other people get their kids to stop misbehaving and so I know that it is possible to do. You can't tell me that it's impossible to reason with or discipline a child, because there are plenty of perfectly well behaved children out there - monsters like this are a rare exception.
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Rewarding them when they are good is not the answer because that teaches them that not being good is what normal behavior is. Sadly it seems like punishment for bad behavior is the answer.
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JustineKo2 wrote:

Rewarding them when they are good is not the answer because that teaches them that not being good is what normal behavior is. Sadly it seems like punishment for bad behavior is the answer.


I'll tell you what - if a kid starts getting noisy in public in Japan the parents smack them over the head and they shut up immediately. It's quite surprising to see as an American, but I have to admit that I appreciated it.
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I'm not surprised you're skeptical, but there was maybe one hour of quiet for the entire 9 hour trip - I'm dead serious. I said that the two of them were tag-teaming, and I meant it. One would sleep while the other screamed, and then they would trade. I have never appreciated quiet so much in my life, so I was quite aware of the length of it. The parents were one row ahead of us, so it was easy to tell that there wasn't any reasoning going on, occasional shushes and nothing more. No angry whisper, nothing.

I'm not usually a kid hater, but this was beyond tolerance.

I haven't ever had to reason with a 4 year old, but I have seen other people get their kids to stop misbehaving and so I know that it is possible to do. You can't tell me that it's impossible to reason with or discipline a child, because there are plenty of perfectly well behaved children out there - monsters like this are a rare exception.


Discipline is not impossible, only experience will lead to the right path for each child. But in full meltdown mode, I have never seen anyone reason a toddler back from the edge. For some kids, a little spanking is the perfect jolt to get them thinking in the now. For others, it just escalates their negative emotions. Shushing only works on a mischievous kid that is in full control of their behavior. Anger never works in any situation.

I feel bad that those kids went completely unsupported for an extended flight like that. Sitting in a cramped, noisy metal tube with a bunch of strangers in a stressful experience for many adults. It can be hell on kids, and for their parents to not attend to them is unconscionable. And it sucks that you had to be there for the fallout.
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You should always bring earplugs/headphones on a long trip. Problem solved.

As for handling kids, it helps to keep them up all day/night before the trip so they are tired during it. Also having them eat a big meal beforehand can help. I had younger twin brothers growing up and there were times they could not be controlled though. It happens to even the best parents.
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Young children having tantrums on a plane is different from them having tantrums elsewhere. That's because part or most of the problem with being on a plane is that it makes your inner ear pop an uncomfortable even painful feeling. Since children don't know how to deal with this they'll be even more cranky. I recall travelling on a plane when I was 5. Mother (a nurse) had prepared us for the ear problems. She had us chewing gum to help minimise the ear problems and it seemed to work. Even adults with ear infections can't travel because it may cause more damage to their ears at that time. Some people and children also get travel sickness or the stress of travel makes them sick.

Adding to the problem is that everyone is in a confined space for some time.
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I was on the train the other day and there was this toddler that kept crying. Not only that but every time the mom would tell the kid to be quiet he would hit her! She couldn't do much about it since she was already on a crowded train. It was so bizarre, I couldn't believe my eyes.
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Sogno- wrote:

I teach toddlers. And yes, they can throw temper tantrums. Some more than others.

it's just part of the age. And it's not always under the parents' control either. Often, but not always. It pisses me off when people say "ugh those parents are awful" or "those stupid children need to shut up". Excuse me. Either you have never been a parent or you've never had a difficult child who did absolutely everything you didn't want him to do despite your best efforts to direct him otherwise or correct his behavior.

And nobody has the right to tell parents, whether they are "bad" or "good" parents, that they can't take their crying kids onto airplanes or even restaurants , despite how much it disturbs your peace.

This. As a Dad with 4 kids (all under the age of 6), sometimes the kids will just be bad in public. Guess what? I'm still going to continue grocery shopping, or eating at a restaurant, or whatever I'm doing. Things still need to be done and they'll generally get over it at some point when they calm down & stop getting attention for it. For my kids, it can be 10-15 minutes of whining as we're walking through a store before they get over themselves.

Regarding the plane, if the parents were trying to stop them - it's one thing. If they were not, that's another. Frankly, if it were my kids at those ages...I wouldn't take them on a flight that's more than 2 hrs long unless it were necessary. Since it never is, I wouldn't. That's just me - I wouldn't want to subject them to that much time in the air with how tough it is on my own ears/stomach for that amount of time. That said, 2 year olds - you can't reason with 2 year olds. Heck, I have a 3 year old who's almost 4 that I can barely reason with. They're still in many ways babies when it comes to reasoning until around 5-6 years old when reasoning seems to kick in a bit more (same age we start Kindergarten. It's not a coincidence).

That said - I have a short story. As I said, I have little kids. My wife & I went out to a restaurant and my son was awful. He was screaming his head off while others were trying to eat. He was rude and spiteful. In short, he was a brat. I tried talking sense into him. I tried to hold him/calm him down with hugs. Nothing worked. So, I ignored it and tried to eat my meal with my wife & other children. He calmed down a good 20 minutes later. To apologize for the inconvenience we caused others, my wife & I put $20 toward the neighboring tables food. We also gave an extra tip to our waitress who was very pleasant and very nice to us even while my son was being awful. He's generally a good kid, he's generally not that bad - but a combination of tiredness and annoyance about being away from home for a long time sometimes even the best of little kids turn into monsters, even with super awesome parents...
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jutsuri wrote:
I wish that there was a sound-proofed room where the parents could be shut in with their screaming children so that they could listen to it while the rest of the plane got a break.


Innovative thought, but highly unlikely.

I've flown A LOT, but have never come across whiny children. I suppose I'm lucky.
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