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If we always killed the right people then the death penalty would have no flaw and everybody would support it. There are to many cases of innocent people getting executed and even if this is one in a million(it isn't) I think letting a million criminals live is worth it to save one innocent. The hatred and agony an innocent person must endure knowing that everybody they know thinks they committed the crime and they are waiting for years to be put to death like a dog, it must be unbearable. Examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States
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If you are against the death penalty because 1 innocent person out of a million guilty are executed ( your hypothetical example) then should you also be against the use of missiles or drone strikes that other nations use that kill many criminals with accepting some innocent lives also being killed in the process as collateral damage?
Posted 2/15/15 , edited 2/15/15

kingrumZ wrote:

If you are against the death penalty because 1 innocent person out of a million guilty are executed ( your hypothetical example) then should you also be against the use of missiles or drone strikes that other nations use that kill many criminals with accepting some innocent lives also being killed in the process as collateral damage?


bla bla bla are you 12 or something.
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I approve of the death penalty by any means. The guillotine should be brought back for the worst of the worst criminals. Wait, that would be a quick death for them. They should die painfully slow as possible.
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kingrumZ wrote:

If you are against the death penalty because 1 innocent person out of a million guilty are executed ( your hypothetical example) then should you also be against the use of missiles or drone strikes that other nations use that kill many criminals with accepting some innocent lives also being killed in the process as collateral damage?


bla bla bla are you 12 or something.


The irony is that your response is absolutely perfect if you were talking to yourself.
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kingrumZ wrote:

If you are against the death penalty because 1 innocent person out of a million guilty are executed ( your hypothetical example) then should you also be against the use of missiles or drone strikes that other nations use that kill many criminals with accepting some innocent lives also being killed in the process as collateral damage?


No, because the two situations are characteristically distinct. In the case of a prisoner facing possible execution there is no immediate and substantial threat to the general public to be dealt with. In the case of someone roaming free and killing people there's an immediate threat to be dealt with, and the use of deadly force against that person may or may not be justified depending upon the circumstances.
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well i didnt say bla bla bla, so no.
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I'm pro-death penalty. People sometimes do things to warrant death. Saddam Hussein was a perfect example. Until he died, he still posed a viable lethal and political threat. [Side note: I also oppose the whole Iraq War thing Bush did, but what's done is done. Might as well make the best of it.].

As for in the US, I think the death penalty should still be kept. There are circumstances where it might ought to be employed, such as with serial killers, mass bombers, serial rapists, high treason, etc. As to what method? Honestly, I find lethal injection to be cruel and unusual. Hell, I'd prefer a firing squad or a bullet to the back of the head. Quick and easy. Hanging is cruel imo too because the neck is not guaranteed to break. Gas chambers are a bit much, to say the least.

At the end of the day, I consider it a necessary evil.
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I agree with you that there may be no threat to the public in the case of a prisoner, however, do you think that the cost of living for a prisoners is worth potentially keeping one innocent alive? Even though we could spend that money else where say on the poor or higher education? say we spend money and change the environment of the poor there might be less prisoners to begin with. There is the possibility of SOME threat to the general public in case of a prisoner, there are prison gangs and kingpins that are in jail that still have authority in the outside world.
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But killing Saddam destabilized the whole region, eventually after all the fighting is done Iraq and Syria will probably be split into many mini countries each with there own Saddam-like dictator and maybe just ONE democracy MAYBE.
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I agree with you that there may be no threat to the public in the case of a prisoner, however, do you think that the cost of living for a prisoners is worth potentially keeping one innocent alive? Even though we could spend that money else where say on the poor or higher education? say we spend money and change the environment of the poor there might be less prisoners to begin with. There is the possibility of SOME threat to the general public in case of a prisoner, there are prison gangs and kingpins that are in jail that still have authority in the outside world.


The death penalty is more expensive than life sentences. Significantly so, actually. It wastes public money which could be directed toward the endeavors you're talking about. It's also worth mentioning that mandatory minimum sentencing for non-violent offenses related to drugs is a significant contributor to the US's high incarceration rate, so there's another example of the justice system self-defeating by trying to swing the truncheon a little harder. As for people coordinating external activities from within the penal system, that's not unique to death row inmates and execution does absolutely nothing to solve the real problem: holes in prison security.
Posted 2/15/15
Yep,Rather have that then Wasting money keeping them alive in a prison.
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I rather we execute criminals than have them have a chance at getting loose and causing more damage. While no justice system is perfect the death penalty is necessary more so for the family's to give them some closer. No one forces other people to commit crimes they choose to do them for whatever petty reason they have.
While most people want the actual execution to be quick and painless I say let the government take over making the chems "so there is no doubt where they come from" or bring back the old fashion firing squad " you could certainly rig up something that will shoot a gun if no body wants to pull the trigger.
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If the death penalty is more expensive than life sentences, we could simply change the method the death penalty is delivered to reduce costs. I believe that drug offenses are a bigger problem than you make them out to be. What do drug dealers spend the money that they make on? I doubt its just for diapers and candy. Buying illegal drugs can be potentially as dangerous as sending funds to a terrorist group depending on WHERE the money goes. IF you buy drugs from a thug, who bought them from a thug, who bought them from a thug, who bought them from someone in a Latin american drug cartel you are essentially funding the atrocities they commit. I realize that it is somewhat of a slippery slope argument but at the same time I feel that it has some validity to it. If no one purchased illegal drugs, don't you think drug cartels would have less funds to buy weapons and ammunition to kill (other drug dealers and innocent people) , ransom innocent people, and traffic humans? Having high sentences for drug related crimes I figure is meant to curb the sales of drug dealers by reducing the demand from customers who cannot purchase drugs considering they are in jail. UNLESS you bought drugs from a someone who grows it in there backyard who does not do business with cartels, purchasing drugs is more serious than you make it seem.
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kingrumZ wrote:

If the death penalty is more expensive than life sentences, we could simply change the method the death penalty is delivered to reduce costs.


That's not where the expense is. The expense is on the judiciary side of things.


I believe that drug offenses are a bigger problem than you make them out to be. What do drug dealers spend the money that they make on? I doubt its just for diapers and candy. Buying illegal drugs can be potentially as dangerous as sending funds to a terrorist group depending on WHERE the money goes. IF you buy drugs from a thug, who bought them from a thug, who bought them from a thug, who bought them from someone in a Latin american drug cartel you are essentially funding the atrocities they commit. I realize that it is somewhat of a slippery slope argument but at the same time I feel that it has some validity to it. If no one purchased illegal drugs, don't you think drug cartels would have less funds to buy weapons and ammunition to kill (other drug dealers and innocent people) , ransom innocent people, and traffic humans? Having high sentences for drug related crimes I figure is meant to curb the sales of drug dealers by reducing the demand from customers who cannot purchase drugs considering they are in jail. UNLESS you bought drugs from a someone who grows it in there backyard who does not do business with cartels, purchasing drugs is more serious than you make it seem.


Let me ask you something: what was among the most influential factors for increasing the scope of organized crime in the United States in the 1920s? Was it:

(a) Making the sale of alcoholic beverages illegal with the 21st amendment to the federal constitution
(b) People dancing the Charleston
(c) Woodrow Wilson's eyebrows
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