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prisons cost tax payers 39 billion dollars. if we have fewer prisoners, the better it is for us in the long run. To be blunt executions have to continue on the useless murdering fuck ups in our society who are just rotting in prison serving stupid sentences of 200 plus years. then another thing must happen the war on drugs has to end legalize all drugs that will generate extra tax income and people will not be going to prison for 5 to 10 for petty drug crimes.


You'd support legalizing things like heroine and letting just anyone get prescription drugs without a prescription? Honestly I think most drug laws are good, besides weed not being legal, because it prevents people who aren't complete wastoids and are just on a bad bender from completely messing themselves up. What justification could you have for legalizing heroine and stuff?



I read this and so no reply to it, so I'm here like, why not?

I believe all drugs should by legal and taxed. Though drugs that are actually needed and prescribed should not be taxed.
My reasoning for all drugs should be legal is, its your body, do what you want with it. What happens to person's body is not my responsibility, though I am not saying I wouldn't intervene with someone I know. If someone really wants to ruin their health, their body, and ultimately their life it is their choice, I shouldn't be able to stop them. I use the same argument for abortion and gay marriage. It is not my place to say what someone cannot and can do on this basic of a level.

That's just my ol' honest opinion. :)

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I read this and so no reply to it, so I'm here like, why not?

I believe all drugs should by legal and taxed. Though drugs that are actually needed and prescribed should not be taxed.
My reasoning for all drugs should be legal is, its your body, do what you want with it. What happens to person's body is not my responsibility, though I am not saying I wouldn't intervene with someone I know. If someone really wants to ruin their health, their body, and ultimately their life it is their choice, I shouldn't be able to stop them. I use the same argument for abortion and gay marriage. It is not my place to say what someone cannot and can do on this basic of a level.

That's just my ol' honest opinion. :)



Yeah, then we'll see an increase of work accidents and especially motor vehicle crashes. Colorado has had a 33% increase of job accidents since Marijuana has been legalized. Don't blame me when someone high on heroin or whatever rams their vehicle into you killing the both of you.

Death Penalty: The process to obtain it is awfully stretchy. Namely because of the cruel and unusual punishment. In my honest opinion, I can't understand why someone who has the thought process to plan a murder or rape a child should go free after certain time. It just doesn't suit well with me.
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Here's my problem with the death penalty: there no "I'm sorry that we killed you because our justice system is full of retards." People are just dead, plain as that. As long as one innocent man is killed it doesn't matter about all the thousands of thugs who deserved to die, the price was too high.

I know what you're thinking, "That SOB might have done something to deserve it." That SOB might be you, and if you did nothing to deserve death then it wouldn't seem fair. Taken that further, if you die the real killer is still walking the street. Makes justice rather perverse, don't it?

I heard about this one cat in Canada that been in prison for more than 40 years. He said in an interview that he tried to commit suicide several times, the system would keep bringing him back. They added more time, attempted suicide is still against the law. He had a stroke, still alive. The one of the wardens said that the system wants him in prison forever, so he could think about the value of the life he took while his life just waste away.

His parents are dead, so are some of his siblings. His wife divorced him, remarried, had more children and died. His son and daughter had children and those kids had kids. He never spoke to them, his family had forgotten him. Most of his friends forgot him on the first day inside, friends he made in prison died, transferred or was released. His world, his existance is contained within a 6.5 metered square box of cement and steel with a slit for a window overlooking the prairie.

Some fates are a living death.
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Gas all of the prisons, kill them all, clean the bodies out, fill up with new prisoners, repeat.
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It's barbaric and unnecessary. It should have no place in civilized society.


Yeah, well there are people who also have no place in "civilized society." Count yourself lucky you've never met one.


Let me pose a question:
If something as trivial as drinking and driving only ever cost you a ticket, and a very light one at that, do you think people would be more likely to drink and drive? Multiply the chance of being caught by the consequence and you have a small penalty. So small risk and barely any consequences, of course more people would drink and drive.

But what if the cost of being caught under the influence always resulted in the death penalty? Do you think there'd be a bunch of people drinking and driving? Of course not. The risk of a huge consequence is too much of a deterrent.

How about a more realistic, less extreme, scenario:
You know all those cameras that are mounted around various stores you shop at? Did you know a high percentage of them aren't real/aren't turned on/aren't monitored? But the risk alone of a camera being monitored while patrons are in store deters a huge amount of shoplifting.

I do think the death penalty should exist.
I would prefer it as a deterrent for the crazies who shoot up schools and movie theaters, or cereal rapists (because who would do that to a poor box of wheaties?), or future world domineer...ers (e.g. Hitler), but it's also useful to simply rid society of people that, in any given scenario, are a hindrance to civilization, either on a micro or macro scale (serial killers vs Hitler).


People who disagree are likely somewhat naive (regardless of their age) and/or don't understand the alternatives.
Either you treat animals (and some "people" are) like humans and pay extravagant amounts to see that they suffer in comfort, or you take most of the risk away from all prison employees by isolating and otherwise treating prisoners very basely. And why make the prison employees risk their lives? Or why make prison so bad it would be better to die? Unfortunately, we cannot always determine which cases are that extreme; when it comes to those scenarios we are potentially risking either the life of the offending individual or the lives of those they'll interact with should they not get the death penalty.


People like that don't even view others as being on their same level. I can't recall the correct terminology, but human life to them (outside of their own life) is varying degrees of worthless. The world revolves around them and their pleasure. They'll kill you for the most trivial of things and you are compassionate or silly enough to defend them and their life.


Would you trade their life for their future victims? I wouldn't.
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UrbanDay wrote:


I read this and so no reply to it, so I'm here like, why not?

I believe all drugs should by legal and taxed. Though drugs that are actually needed and prescribed should not be taxed.
My reasoning for all drugs should be legal is, its your body, do what you want with it. What happens to person's body is not my responsibility, though I am not saying I wouldn't intervene with someone I know. If someone really wants to ruin their health, their body, and ultimately their life it is their choice, I shouldn't be able to stop them. I use the same argument for abortion and gay marriage. It is not my place to say what someone cannot and can do on this basic of a level.

That's just my ol' honest opinion. :)



Yeah, then we'll see an increase of work accidents and especially motor vehicle crashes. Colorado has had a 33% increase of job accidents since Marijuana has been legalized. Don't blame me when someone high on heroin or whatever rams their vehicle into you killing the both of you.

Death Penalty: The process to obtain it is awfully stretchy. Namely because of the cruel and unusual punishment. In my honest opinion, I can't understand why someone who has the thought process to plan a murder or rape a child should go free after certain time. It just doesn't suit well with me.


He won't blame you because he'll be dead. And I agree, the threat of repeat offenders means that society values their petty life over the lives of those they'll later affect with future trespasses.

I would execute hundreds of libido-crazed rapists to save a single girl from being raped. Why aren't there more people who think that way?

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I do think the death penalty should exist.
I would prefer it as a deterrent for the crazies who shoot up schools and movie theaters, or cereal rapists (because who would do that to a poor box of wheaties?), or future world domineer...ers (e.g. Hitler), but it's also useful to simply rid society of people that, in any given scenario, are a hindrance to civilization, either on a micro or macro scale (serial killers vs Hitler).



That might sound logical, but there's very little supporting evidence.
http://news.ufl.edu/archive/1997/01/experts-agree-death-penalty-not-a-deterrent-to-violent-crime.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/04/30/theres-still-no-evidence-that-executions-deter-criminals/

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23374844/no-credible-evidence-whether-death-penalty-deters-experts

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/09/22/us/absence-executions-special-report-states-with-no-death-penalty-share-lower.html

Even if it were true, the odds of a wrongful execution are too high.

http://time.com/79572/more-innocent-people-on-death-row-than-estimated-study/
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I think we need the death penalty, but we also need to have strict rules about it. Maybe even Corporal punishment is needed. Crimes are not all equal we should not look at this in a liberal perspective. Prison for life is not that appeasing either.
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UrbanDay wrote:


IanWay95 wrote:


Iax wrote:

prisons cost tax payers 39 billion dollars. if we have fewer prisoners, the better it is for us in the long run. To be blunt executions have to continue on the useless murdering fuck ups in our society who are just rotting in prison serving stupid sentences of 200 plus years. then another thing must happen the war on drugs has to end legalize all drugs that will generate extra tax income and people will not be going to prison for 5 to 10 for petty drug crimes.


You'd support legalizing things like heroine and letting just anyone get prescription drugs without a prescription? Honestly I think most drug laws are good, besides weed not being legal, because it prevents people who aren't complete wastoids and are just on a bad bender from completely messing themselves up. What justification could you have for legalizing heroine and stuff?



I read this and so no reply to it, so I'm here like, why not?

I believe all drugs should by legal and taxed. Though drugs that are actually needed and prescribed should not be taxed.
My reasoning for all drugs should be legal is, its your body, do what you want with it. What happens to person's body is not my responsibility, though I am not saying I wouldn't intervene with someone I know. If someone really wants to ruin their health, their body, and ultimately their life it is their choice, I shouldn't be able to stop them. I use the same argument for abortion and gay marriage. It is not my place to say what someone cannot and can do on this basic of a level.

That's just my ol' honest opinion. :)



People are stupid, we don't always look into the future but, love short pleasure. We should have limits on drugs, because drugs can be used to harm others too. That is my opinion.
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Cero_of_Clouds wrote:

Yeah, then we'll see an increase of work accidents and especially motor vehicle crashes. Colorado has had a 33% increase of job accidents since Marijuana has been legalized. Don't blame me when someone high on heroin or whatever rams their vehicle into you killing the both of you.


The hypothesis that motor vehicle accidents will rise in a climate where marijuana is legalized doesn't bear out in Colorado's traffic fatality data.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/08/05/since-marijuana-legalization-highway-fatalities-in-colorado-are-at-near-historic-lows/

Assuming the increase in workplace accidents is true (I'd appreciate a source for your claim that it is), and further assuming that the increase is traceable to marijuana related accidents, one must consider that it is the individuals who opt to come to work high, drunk, whatever which are at fault, not the availability of the substance they're misusing. A person who shows up to work high should face penalties from their company and possibly from the state depending on what they were doing. For example, if you're concerned about workplace accidents involving people operating motor vehicles under the influence of a mind altering substance like alcohol or marijuana there already exists plenty of grounds for both firing and prosecution, and I in no way support repeal of the laws which allow for either. The same applies to laws prohibiting the operation of motor vehicles on public roadways under the influence. A blood test can show that an individual is under the influence of THC, so it is possible to ticket drugged drivers while sparing those who are using (but not when they're driving).


Death Penalty: The process to obtain it is awfully stretchy. Namely because of the cruel and unusual punishment. In my honest opinion, I can't understand why someone who has the thought process to plan a murder or rape a child should go free after certain time. It just doesn't suit well with me.


That's what life sentences and sex offender registries are for.
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One reason that death penalties are wrong is that, maybe someone was framed or some misunderstanding happened, and that man/female was put into death sentence without others trying to understand their situation, end up dying for no reason, and under someone else's crime that they did not commit.


Isn't that more of a problem for the court than the punishment itself? A man can also be wrongly sentenced to jail, should we then argue that jails are also wrong?
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Kaeru69 wrote:

One reason that death penalties are wrong is that, maybe someone was framed or some misunderstanding happened, and that man/female was put into death sentence without others trying to understand their situation, end up dying for no reason, and under someone else's crime that they did not commit.


Isn't that more of a problem for the court than the punishment itself? A man can also be wrongly sentenced to jail, should we then argue that jails are also wrong?

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you can right a wrongful conviction, not a wrongful death.
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mailrus wrote:


Kaeru69 wrote:

One reason that death penalties are wrong is that, maybe someone was framed or some misunderstanding happened, and that man/female was put into death sentence without others trying to understand their situation, end up dying for no reason, and under someone else's crime that they did not commit.


Isn't that more of a problem for the court than the punishment itself? A man can also be wrongly sentenced to jail, should we then argue that jails are also wrong?

one word, permanence.

you can right a wrongful conviction, not a wrongful death.


It's a pretty sad state of affairs if we lessen the punishment because we do not trust enough in our own justice system. The way I look at it, if a man is framed and then executed by the state then the justice system turned into the murderer's weapon. I believe that the murderer will soon find out that it's a double edged sword that will eventually turn on him as well.
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