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Posted 2/14/15

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Meh the only thing different about it is it's being animated by the staff who animated Origins and they're taking the shipping up to eleven.Other than that it's pretty much exactly the same.


Step in the right direction, though any savvy person knows nothing will really come of it.

... but it's a kids' show, I don't really know what more people expect of it. It's not supposed to examine complex social issues, have morally ambiguous villains, real death, etc. A more complex plot would also make it difficult to transition from region to region.


Hey, Mewtwo was having some serious existential issues.

If the show actually evolved a bit more, I wouldn't ming that it's aimed at kids. They have just enough structure that Ash never getting older or achieving anything gets annoying. Tom and Wiley Coyote get away with never getting anywhere because there's not much structure to their shows.
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People still watch Pokemon?


Yes...

Personally I haven't in years, but I've also heard this season (the X/Y saga) is actually pretty good.


Is Ash still 10 years old after what 17 years of it being out? :D


It depends on who you ask. Some people like to think he's 27.
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Posted 2/14/15

LokiLB wrote:


Genbu89 wrote:


dwilson2000 wrote:

Meh the only thing different about it is it's being animated by the staff who animated Origins and they're taking the shipping up to eleven.Other than that it's pretty much exactly the same.


Step in the right direction, though any savvy person knows nothing will really come of it.

... but it's a kids' show, I don't really know what more people expect of it. It's not supposed to examine complex social issues, have morally ambiguous villains, real death, etc. A more complex plot would also make it difficult to transition from region to region.


Hey, Mewtwo was having some serious existential issues.

If the show actually evolved a bit more, I wouldn't ming that it's aimed at kids. They have just enough structure that Ash never getting older or achieving anything gets annoying. Tom and Wiley Coyote get away with never getting anywhere because there's not much structure to their shows.


they are slowly putting love in that show
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Not really, Pokemon started out as a video game franchise a year before Yu-Gi-Oh! started out as a shounen manga series that spawned card games and TV shows. I have to see Yu-Gi-Oh! video games competing with Pokemon. Therefore, neighter is a copycat or imitation.
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Thirteen stars?
Are you kidding me?
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Blasphemy! Everyone knows Pokemon copied Digimon. Duh!
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LokiLB wrote:

Hey, Mewtwo was having some serious existential issues.

If the show actually evolved a bit more, I wouldn't ming that it's aimed at kids. They have just enough structure that Ash never getting older or achieving anything gets annoying. Tom and Wiley Coyote get away with never getting anywhere because there's not much structure to their shows.


Mewtwo's existential issues are, bluntly, the exception that makes the rule. He's also confined to a movie and an OVA, both of which were released, what... ten plus years ago? I can't think of any other even remotely deep subject the series has tried to approach.

... and that's fine by me, because the Pokémon anime is a Saturday Morning Cartoon (albeit one produced in Japan). It'll never be the action-packed and/or romance-driven story people want it to be. Ash can't grow as a character or learn from his mistakes because then there's no conflict; having traveled across every available region in the Pokémon universe (outside of spinoff regions like Orre and Almia) he should be a master trainer with a max-level Pikachu, but he still makes rookie mistakes and that electric rodent is still bested by early-region trainers and Gym Leaders.

... and with the villainous teams' plots having been removed or heavily simplified in recent seasons, the Gyms are the only driving conflict. So Ash can't grow as a character (at least in terms of competence) because then there's no show anymore.
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Thirteen stars?
Are you kidding me?


its the most powerful card in the yugioh universe
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Blasphemy! Everyone knows Pokemon copied Digimon. Duh!


didn't pokemon started before digimon?
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PhantomGundam wrote:

Blasphemy! Everyone knows Pokemon copied Digimon. Duh!


didn't pokemon started before digimon?


Lies! Digimon existed for centuries. Then some guy copied the idea and made them into yugioh cards! Wait what was I talking about again?

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Posted 2/15/15

Genbu89 wrote:


LokiLB wrote:

Hey, Mewtwo was having some serious existential issues.

If the show actually evolved a bit more, I wouldn't ming that it's aimed at kids. They have just enough structure that Ash never getting older or achieving anything gets annoying. Tom and Wiley Coyote get away with never getting anywhere because there's not much structure to their shows.


Mewtwo's existential issues are, bluntly, the exception that makes the rule. He's also confined to a movie and an OVA, both of which were released, what... ten plus years ago? I can't think of any other even remotely deep subject the series has tried to approach.

... and that's fine by me, because the Pokémon anime is a Saturday Morning Cartoon (albeit one produced in Japan). It'll never be the action-packed and/or romance-driven story people want it to be. Ash can't grow as a character or learn from his mistakes because then there's no conflict; having traveled across every available region in the Pokémon universe (outside of spinoff regions like Orre and Almia) he should be a master trainer with a max-level Pikachu, but he still makes rookie mistakes and that electric rodent is still bested by early-region trainers and Gym Leaders.

... and with the villainous teams' plots having been removed or heavily simplified in recent seasons, the Gyms are the only driving conflict. So Ash can't grow as a character (at least in terms of competence) because then there's no show anymore.


I didn't word it correctly, but I was going for Mewtwo being the exception.

Pokemon really should be more like a Looney Toon. Looney Toons work perfectly well with no character advancement or changes at all. The problem for me is that Pokemon has a bit too much story there to really pull off the Looney Toon vibe. Or maybe something like Courage the Cowardly Dog or Ed, Edd, and Eddy where there really isn't any character or plot advancement. Pokemon is sort of sitting between being an action/adventure story with a plot and a zero continuity show with stand alone episodes.

I guess it's sort of like Hey Arnold or Rugrats, where there's some progression but not much. It's not frustrating that Tommy never seems to get older, but it's frustrating that Ash never gets anywhere.

Maybe it's annoying because I watched the first season of Pokemon. That one gives the appearance of going somewhere. If I'd just jumped in with some of the later ones, I might not expect Ash to make any progess.
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latinaloverTX wrote:


PhantomGundam wrote:

Blasphemy! Everyone knows Pokemon copied Digimon. Duh!


didn't pokemon started before digimon?


Lies! Digimon existed for centuries. Then some guy copied the idea and made them into yugioh cards! Wait what was I talking about again?



wow really?
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latinaloverTX wrote:

wow really?


It's a bit confusing. For some reason, Pokemon is said to be from 1995 even though the earliest product (Pokemon red/blue/green) came out in 1996. Digimon came out immediately after that in 1997. Back then, it was just a digital pet like a Tamagotchi. I'm still not entirely sure when Pokemon's exact release was. As for yugioh, it started out as a manga in 1996.


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Nobodyofimportance wrote:

Thirteen stars?
Are you kidding me?


its the most powerful card in the yugioh universe


And it will never become real. Nor will any of the other cards in its archetype.
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Posted 2/16/15 , edited 2/16/15

LokiLB wrote:

I guess it's sort of like Hey Arnold or Rugrats, where there's some progression but not much. It's not frustrating that Tommy never seems to get older, but it's frustrating that Ash never gets anywhere.

Maybe it's annoying because I watched the first season of Pokemon. That one gives the appearance of going somewhere. If I'd just jumped in with some of the later ones, I might not expect Ash to make any progress.


Well that's arguably because the anime was originally supposed to be only one season (or at least cover the Kanto region), much like the games were originally supposed to end after Gen II. Still, the franchise is going strong so they'll keep making new seasons (and games).

What bothers me about it isn't that Ash doesn't get anywhere (he does inevitably get all of the region's badges, only to fail in every League conference) but that he's basically "reset" at the beginning of each new season. Since the start of Hoenn every time he goes to a new region he leaves behind all of his companions and 'mons except his beloved Pikachu (which should be grossly overleveled at this point) and makes stupid rookie mistakes over the course of the season.

Since Brock's departure Ash has basically become a relic of the show's early years - he could easily be replaced by the current game generation's male protagonist - but I guess they have to keep him in there to maintain continuity (and keep said beloved Pikachu in the limelight). Long-time fans would be livid, but I think it could spice up the formula, and I seriously doubt the target demographic would really care.
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pokemon copied yugioh, which copied dragon ball, which copied sailor moon, which copied doraemon.

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