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Daily reminder that your life revolves around consuming fossil fuels.
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DesuMaiden wrote:


narfington wrote:

Soooooo.....what you expect everyone to just stop using oil?


I never said that. What I said is to become less and less reliant on oil as oil becomes scarcer over the next couple of decades. Eventually, you will have to figure out how to live without oil.


Magic, all the magic in the world can solve anything.

If it existed.
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It's a simple economics lesson: as oil becomes less abundant competitor sources for energy, lubrication, and so on will become more attractive and private/public actors will move toward them. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about that, and I'm not going to compose another long post just to be responded to with "Nuh uh! This book I read/film I watched/website I saw says that there ARE no alternatives, so there!"
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I'll remember that next time I do a powerslide in my Lexus.
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Make science replicate oil.
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BlueOni wrote:

It's a simple economics lesson: as oil becomes less abundant competitor sources for energy, lubrication, and so on will become more attractive and private/public actors will move toward them. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about that, and I'm not going to compose another long post just to be responded to with "Nuh uh! This book I read/film I watched/website I saw says that there ARE no alternatives, so there!"


And so far, there are no alternatives to replace oil. And it is likely there will never be anything that can replace oil. Even if we find something that can replace oil (which is unlikely, but let's say we do), it will do us little good, because once we deplete that energy source, we are screwed again. If we keep on increasing population, discovering an alternative to oil will do us little good because we will just end up depleting all of the other resources on the Earth, which will cause our civilization to collapse.

You talk about alternatives to oil. Yet I've proven that none of the alternatives work. So the only logical conclusion is that "industrial civilization is toast when oil becomes too scarce"....

Please read this book to find out why all of the alternatives to oil will not work.

http://www.unicamp.br/fea/ortega/eco/traducao-DieOff.pdf

Ethanol is a complete joke. Even if we converted all of the USA's corn into ethanol, we will only be able to satisfy 15% of the USA's fuel consumption. The same problem applies to all other biofuels (not enough arable land to grow it, low net energy return, etc).

All of the current alternatives to oil will not replace oil. Solar, wind, geothermal, hydrogen, hydroelectric, biofuels, nuclear and etc will not replace oil. Instead of making ignorant assumptions that something will replace oil, why not read the book I showed you to find out that your assumptions are unfounded and not based on reality?

Here's a thought experiment for you and other doubters of peak oil. When oil becomes too scarce, trucks will run out of fuel. And when trucks run out of fuel, they will no longer be able to deliver food to grocery stores. And when that happens, grocery stores will become empty of food. And when that happens, don't say "peak oil isn't real. We have alternatives to oil to replace oil!" . When that happens, you will realize that nothing can replace oil, and our modern civilization is screwed without oil. When you start to starve to death, you can't deny the message I'm telling you. When you are starving to death, as a result of oil becoming too scarce, you will finally realize how irreplaceable oil is for modern civilization.

We rely on oil for producing and transporting food. Without sufficient oil, our food system will collapse, and many people will starve to death. It is that simple. When you see food shortages in the next 10 to 20 years, don't say I didn't warn you. I warned you, but you didn't listen because you continued to believe in the unfounded assumption that "we will find something to replace oil".
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BlueOni wrote:

It's a simple economics lesson: as oil becomes less abundant competitor sources for energy, lubrication, and so on will become more attractive and private/public actors will move toward them. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about that, and I'm not going to compose another long post just to be responded to with "Nuh uh! This book I read/film I watched/website I saw says that there ARE no alternatives, so there!"


Did you check out this "fromthewilderness.com" site he's linking to?

Do it. It's worth a laugh to see it for yourself.
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Perhaps your time would be better served earning a masters of science degree for biochemical engineering?
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evilotakuneko wrote:


BlueOni wrote:

It's a simple economics lesson: as oil becomes less abundant competitor sources for energy, lubrication, and so on will become more attractive and private/public actors will move toward them. I really don't see what's so hard to understand about that, and I'm not going to compose another long post just to be responded to with "Nuh uh! This book I read/film I watched/website I saw says that there ARE no alternatives, so there!"


Did you check out this "fromthewilderness.com" site he's linking to?

Do it. It's worth a laugh to see it for yourself.


Not understanding science doesn't validate your points. Ignoring reality is not going to change reality. Do you realize that oil = food? No oil= no food.

And you've come up with zero alternatives to oil. And I've proven that there are no alternatives to oil at the current moment. And there is likely never going to be any substitutes to oil.

I don't care if you don't believe me that modern civilization is about to end. When you are starving to death within another 10 to 20 years, I will be saying "too bad you didn't listen to me. Suckers."

Learn some history. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Previous civilizations have collapsed, and there is no reason you should believe our modern civilization is any less vulnerable to collapse. The people on Easter Island had their civilization collapse from wood depletion. Our civilization is heading down the exact same path except we are depleting fossil fuels.

You have not refuted a single point I made. Instead all you've proven is that your ignorance and denial of reality will doom you when oil depletion really starts to collapse our economy. When you don't have a job and don't have any more food, don't say I didn't warn you this was going to happen. I already made a bet with a friend of mine that the economy will collapse in the 2020s when oil becomes too scarce.

The economy is dependent on oil. There are currently no substitutes for oil. It is very likely we will never find a substitute for oil. And when oil becomes too scarce, our economy will collapse, and you will most likely become jobless and without food. Everything in modern society is dependent on oil. What happens when you take the oil away? Modern society collapses is the result.

I am starting to realize that warning people about peak oil is a waste of my time because most people will just ignore my warnings. But most people will perish anyways when oil becomes too scarce. So screw them, and I will just make my preparations for surviving the collapse of our modern civilization. I plan on surviving the collapse of modern civilization. If you ignore my warnings, too bad for you, because you don't deserve to live anyways. The only reason you exist is because of oil, and when oil goes away, you will also cease to exist.
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evilotakuneko wrote:

Did you check out this "fromthewilderness.com" site he's linking to?

Do it. It's worth a laugh to see it for yourself.


...it's like Info Wars raised to the Russia Today power.
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DesuMaiden wrote:
When you see food shortages in the next 10 to 20 years, don't say I didn't warn you. I warned you, but you didn't listen because you continued to believe in the unfounded assumption that "we will find something to replace oil".


Oh yes, I will remember DesuMaiden's dire warning thirty years from now when I'm payin a few bucks extra for stuff. Because that's all it's gonna be in that timeframe, not the doom and gloom end of the world your wobbly socialist anarchist author makes it out to be.
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Hey, remember when the rollover to the year 2000 was going to do everything from kill the world's power grids to causing satellites to fall from the sky? I seem to have forgotten how that whole thing ended.
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evilotakuneko wrote:


DesuMaiden wrote:
When you see food shortages in the next 10 to 20 years, don't say I didn't warn you. I warned you, but you didn't listen because you continued to believe in the unfounded assumption that "we will find something to replace oil".


Oh yes, I will remember DesuMaiden's dire warning thirty years from now when I'm payin a few bucks extra for stuff. Because that's all it's gonna be in that timeframe, not the doom and gloom end of the world your wobbly socialist anarchist author makes it out to be.


First of all, when food shortages start to happen, you will realize that I was right the whole time. Modern civilization is dependent upon oil. There are currently no substitutes to oil. And we will likely not find any substitutes for oil. When modern civilization collapses by 2030 to 2040 (from oil shortages), you will realize everything I said was right.

Food production is intricately tied to oil production because modern agriculture is overwhelming reliant on oil and other fossil fuels. When fossil fuels become too scarce and expensive, food prices will go through the roof.

When supermarket shelves start to become empty of food, don't say I didn't warn you. First of all, when oil becomes too scarce and expensive, trucks will run out of fuel. And when that happens, trucks will no longer be able to deliver food to supermarkets. So supermarket shelves will become empty of food. Also, most food production nowadays relies on fossil fuels. As fossil fuels become too scarce and expensive, food production will go down. So when fossil fuels become too scarce and expensive, food will become scarce, and food shortages will happen.

Don't say I didn't warn you. I have science and evidence on my side. All you have is wishful thinking and the delusion that business as usual can continue indefinitely.
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