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Hey, remember when the rollover to the year 2000 was going to do everything from kill the world's power grids to causing satellites to fall from the sky? I seem to have forgotten how that whole thing ended.


It led to one of the scariest things to happen in the entire breadth of humanity's existence.....

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BlueOni wrote:

Hey, remember when the rollover to the year 2000 was going to do everything from kill the world's power grids to causing satellites to fall from the sky? I seem to have forgotten how that whole thing ended.


Apparently there were some real concerns there.
The problem was that way back when, when memory was super expensive, they only used two characters for a date, 19[xx]. So, if you're in year [99] and the year increments by 1, suddenly you're in year [00]. And apparently that can cause some problems.

I'm still wondering why farming fails with oil though. Like, we could pretty easily make giant harvesting tanks of Algea and fish in the middle of the ocean if we need to.
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what if the electricity comes from your own solar panels you placed on top of your roof?
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BlueOni wrote:

Hey, remember when the rollover to the year 2000 was going to do everything from kill the world's power grids to causing satellites to fall from the sky? I seem to have forgotten how that whole thing ended.


Ok let me explain to this in the simplest way possible. Trucks need oil to transport goods. When oil becomes too scarce and expensive, trucks will run out of fuel. And when that happens, trucks will be unable to deliver food and other products to stores. When you see your supermarket shelves become empty of food, that's the result of oil becoming too scarce and expensive. Also most food production is reliant on oil nowadays. Take the oil away, and then modern agriculture collapses. When food shortages start to happen within the next ten to twenty years, don't say I didn't warn you.

Meanwhile, the price of food will increase as the price of oil increases because food production and distribution relies on oil. As oil becomes scarcer and more expensive, everything will increase in price because virtually everything nowadays is made of oil or distributed by oil. The economy will go into recession at first, because of oil becoming scarcer and more expensive. And then economy will enter a depression from which it will never recover, as oil prices skyrocket. And then food shortages happen.

And then you can't deny peak oil. This isn't fearmongering. This is just an accurate prediction of what will happen in the future.
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what if the electricity comes from your own solar panels you placed on top of your roof?


The problem with solar energy is that in order to produce it, you need solar panels, which are made of certain rare metals like silver. And these metals are becoming rarer and scarcer. So we will never be able to construct enough solar panels to replace the energy we get from fossil fuels. But using solar energy is a good idea if you want to have electricity in the future. It is just unfeasible for solar energy to replace all of the energy we get from fossil fuels.

We need 100,000 square kilometers of solar panels to generate the same amount of energy we currently get from fossil fuels. There isn't enough rare metals to create that many solar panels, so no, solar panels will never be able to replace all of the fossil fuels we use.
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While we wait for the economic collapse can we ship you off to a deserted island somewhere? I promise we will find a nice place with no oil. I think you'll like it there.
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Of course this is all predicated on other technology standing still, which is unlikely. In 2011 scientist found they could use ceric oxide and sunlight to turn CO2 and water into various hydrocarbons , now a German company called Sunfire GmbH is building these reactors. Of course it's always expensive at first but these things get refined and streamlined. There are other effort like to use Algae to produce so called biofuels. The oil company Shell figured out how to refine natural gas into motor oil under the brand name PurePlus.

A lot can happen in two decades.


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pandrasb wrote:

what if the electricity comes from your own solar panels you placed on top of your roof?


The problem with solar energy is that in order to produce it, you need solar panels, which are made of certain rare metals like silver. And these metals are becoming rarer and scarcer. So we will never be able to construct enough solar panels to replace the energy we get from fossil fuels. But using solar energy is a good idea if you want to have electricity in the future. It is just unfeasible for solar energy to replace all of the energy we get from fossil fuels.

We need 100,000 square kilometers of solar panels to generate the same amount of energy we currently get from fossil fuels. There isn't enough rare metals to create that many solar panels, so no, solar panels will never be able to replace all of the fossil fuels we use.


Of course the fault in that logic is that the energy produced from fossil fuels needs to be replaced entirely by one technology.
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DesuMaiden wrote:


pandrasb wrote:

what if the electricity comes from your own solar panels you placed on top of your roof?


The problem with solar energy is that in order to produce it, you need solar panels, which are made of certain rare metals like silver. And these metals are becoming rarer and scarcer. So we will never be able to construct enough solar panels to replace the energy we get from fossil fuels. But using solar energy is a good idea if you want to have electricity in the future. It is just unfeasible for solar energy to replace all of the energy we get from fossil fuels.

We need 100,000 square kilometers of solar panels to generate the same amount of energy we currently get from fossil fuels. There isn't enough rare metals to create that many solar panels, so no, solar panels will never be able to replace all of the fossil fuels we use.


Then efficiency is key, very low power devices capable of running on less energy at very similar outputs. And increasing the efficiency of a single solar panel to output a larger amount of energy. So the 100k square miles would be reduced drastically.
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Hey folks,

I would hereby like to kindly remind you that while we appreciate discussion about and the occasional joking jab at the topic at hand, personal attacks towards posters and flamebaiting will not be tolerated.
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DesuMaiden I believe you're avatar explains my feelings about this thread.
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Fossil Fuels which are there thanks to the sun nurturing said creatures and allowing them to flourish before the angry hand of God/Cthulu/Surtr/whatever wiped them all out.

So technically speaking, we are consuming mostly transformed solar power.
Wind is also a form of solar power
So is Hydroelectric.

Because it's all possible thanks to the angry ball of nuclear fire we call the Sun. So...All just captured sunlight...

Except the Icelanders. Those Vikings use a lot of Geothermal energy which comes from the planet's internal heat back when the planet was still molten.
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BlueOni wrote:

Hey, remember when the rollover to the year 2000 was going to do everything from kill the world's power grids to causing satellites to fall from the sky? I seem to have forgotten how that whole thing ended.


It led to one of the scariest things to happen in the entire breadth of humanity's existence.....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLp4kGE3CmA

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Do you get paid by these authors / publishers or are you really that gullible and impressionable?
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ok i will stop relying on oil, i will forge my computer from rubber trees and ore refined in a volcano, use a bicycle generator along with wind and solar energy to power it. grow a deer farm and have deer stew every night.


Ok Ok, sorry for the sarcasm, but the fact is we can change our ways as much as possible to live in this fossil fuel driven world but we can't stop it nor can we deny peak oil. However, i do not like that you assume we all take it for granted. I appreciate most aspects of my life and things that make it convenient including fossil fuels.

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DesuMaiden wrote:

First of all, when food shortages start to happen, you will realize that I was right the whole time. Modern civilization is dependent upon oil. There are currently no substitutes to oil. And we will likely not find any substitutes for oil. When modern civilization collapses by 2030 to 2040 (from oil shortages), you will realize everything I said was right.


So you're predicting not just peak oil as early as 2030, but the collapse of civilization?

Seriously?

And you're basing all of this off of a book, written by a lawyer, whose predictions have already failed, and a paper (which cites heavily from the same) written by a geologist with questionable political biases. Moreover as has been pointed out, all the doom and gloom scenarios are predicated upon a technological standstill that just won't happen. Market, political, and social pressures will see to that.

I haven't refuted any of your arguments because you haven't made any worth refuting. Yes, peak oil is a thing that will happen. No, it has not happened yet, and no, it's not going to be some apocalyptic nightmare when it does.

You're not very good at the whole skeptic thing, reading a couple of articles and swallowing them hook, line, and sinker like that.
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Can't we just start compressing the corpses of the billions of dead humans buried underground to produce man made oil or something.

Googled around, don't see why not. Pretty sure I just solved the world's oil crisis. Thank me later.
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