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Oklahoma lawmakers approved a bill that would ban the AP course and replace it with students learning about sermons, the Ten Commandments, and Reagan speeches. They claim that the current AP US History course is too "unpatriotic" and "negative". Discuss.

UPDATE: Dan Fisher, the Republican lawmaker responsible for the bill to remove the AP US History course, says he will "rework" the bill after a fiery response from the public. Republican House Floor Leader Jason Nelson said the rewritten bill will not call for elimination of AP history, but will merely ask the state Board of Education to conduct a review.
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Posted 2/18/15
Really? Funny you mention it considering I'm picking my courses for high school and they have it.
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I think that's just a bill that a very right wing Republican is trying to push through the states Senate, hasn't been approved yet. I sincerely doubt it will, but if it does then whatever, they put him there so they must wan't it.
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mordant221 wrote:

I think that's just a bill that a very right wing Republican is trying to push through the states Senate, hasn't been approved yet. I sincerely doubt it will, but if it does then whatever, they put him there so they must wan't it.


This is Oklahoma we're talking about here. Anything can happen.
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All AP courses should be banned anyway. The only people who take them seriously are high school guidance counselors and high school students.

I've never met someone who actually had credits transfer over for them. And even if they did, you'd be at a disadvantage among the other students since they aren't approved college curriculums- instead they're half-assed by high school teachers who often don't know what they're doing.
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I used to think that the AP US History book was way too patriotic
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Took AP calculus, had credit transfer to UT Knoxville. Whether the credit that transfers is the one you need, that's another question. As per AP History, I like to think the part about it being replaced with Christian propaganda and Reagan speeches is a joke, but I haven't read the bill, so not sure. The history of the US is, in reality, riddled with bloodshed, a lot of it innocent. Presenting this ultra-nationalistic version history that they likely want has the potential to lead toward Nazi like sentiments.
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History is someone's viewpoint on what actually happened, all of history is seen through colored filters. You don't hear much about the American who said "The man who loves other countries as much as his own, stands on a level with the man who loves other women as much as he loves his own wife." They also warn us, "The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life." They remind us that, " Character, in the long run, is the decisive factor in the life of an individual and of nations alike."

America is flawed, but its greatness is its potential, make it better and that is the way you honor its history.

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History classes in this country are a complete joke in general, the last history class I took that had any sense of accuracy was ancient world history in Eighth grade. Every history class I took in high school, and especially college, was worthless. The structure of the classes needs to be adjusted from which acts deserve praise or dissent to simply what happened and when. If a conclusion of an event and it's morality can be logically deducted by being presented with the facts, then there should be no concern. The problems arise when there is a desire to reinforce a specific viewpoint as being right and the information is shown in a way to mislead. In my honest opinion, doing that for any reason whatsoever is wrong.

As for classes being too 'Murica! or not 'Murica! enough, that depends mostly on the teacher and how they elect to present the information. Unfortunately, there are a lot of shitty teachers in the U.S. and depending on what state it can be very hard to fire even a bad teacher unless they have truly done something unprofessional(i.e. improper relations with a student, showing favoritism while grading, drug use).

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hmm, banning something for the public becuase is unpatriotic and negitive sounds like something north korea woudl do. or KGB or the Kempetai as well.
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Well if Japan can change their history textbooks to blot out what it did in China during WWII then this is hardly news
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That's interesting... funny thing is that I'm probably taking it next year haha.
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Well, there's a another reason I don't like Oklahoma. (No offense to anyone who lives in Oklahoma)

Also this isn't really the first time something's been blotted out of US history books. Come on, guys, you should know this.
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From experience, the APUSH curriculum hardly scratches the surface of American history. They only provide you the information in chronological order required to pass the FRQs, multiple choice, and that's it. I don't see why they're making such a huge deal out of this. It's nothing new really. There's a lot of things that this class hasn't covered.
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At least the credit I got from a 5 don't make me pay for a freakishly expensive history course in college, so that's a plus. I don't know why people say that they're not transferable, since all the universities I got accepted to convert AP credit. Additionally, my teachers have been doing these classes for years, they know what probably will and won't be on the tests. Finally, AP classes were the hardest that I've ever taken in high school, even CAP courses don't compare. And besides, I think that it is a complete joke/waste of time to even consider the notion of religious shit.
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