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Oklahoma votes to ban AP US History
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Balzack wrote:

All AP courses should be banned anyway. The only people who take them seriously are high school guidance counselors and high school students.

I've never met someone who actually had credits transfer over for them. And even if they did, you'd be at a disadvantage among the other students since they aren't approved college curriculums- instead they're half-assed by high school teachers who often don't know what they're doing.


I've gotten transfer credits for them and my high school AP US History teacher knew her history very well.
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US history is filled with things one can not be proud of, but that's just part of history as long as you don't repeat the same mistakes you strive for a better country. you teach the bad with the good you don't just focus on the good or the bad. trying to make students into ultra-patriots I can only see that backfiring in the end. and what the heck does the Ten Commandment have anything to do with US history?
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At least the credit I got from a 5 don't make me pay for a freakishly expensive history course in college, so that's a plus. I don't know why people say that they're not transferable, since all the universities I got accepted to convert AP credit. Additionally, my teachers have been doing these classes for years, they know what probably will and won't be on the tests. Finally, AP classes were the hardest that I've ever taken in high school, even CAP courses don't compare. And besides, I think that it is a complete joke/waste of time to even consider the notion of religious shit.


I only got a 3
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miotakare wrote:

At least the credit I got from a 5 don't make me pay for a freakishly expensive history course in college, so that's a plus. I don't know why people say that they're not transferable, since all the universities I got accepted to convert AP credit. Additionally, my teachers have been doing these classes for years, they know what probably will and won't be on the tests. Finally, AP classes were the hardest that I've ever taken in high school, even CAP courses don't compare. And besides, I think that it is a complete joke/waste of time to even consider the notion of religious shit.


I only got a 3


If it makes you feel any better I got a 2 on my English composition,
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Everyone I know who took APUSH would rejoice at this.

As for their reasoning, are they that tired of kids acting like heathens? lol
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I don't want to hear conservatives complain about "liberal indoctrination" in our education system ever again.
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They shouldn't ban AP US History because most colleges require a US History course for general education credits and if they don't let you take it in High School you have to waste a class block on the harder (depends) college version. Let the students get their college head-start if they want to, just don't make it mandatory to take it of course in High School.

To clarify, I am not saying AP US History is a good or bad course, I'm just saying it gives students a head-start towards their college general education requirements. People should take AP US History, AP English, AP Calculus, etc. or as much as they can to get their general educations out of the way. Most times AP Calculus will count towards Calculus 1 course in college which is why I included that.
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As a Texan, I'm allowed to say, Oklahoma: Texas's hat.
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Balzack wrote:

All AP courses should be banned anyway. The only people who take them seriously are high school guidance counselors and high school students.

I've never met someone who actually had credits transfer over for them. And even if they did, you'd be at a disadvantage among the other students since they aren't approved college curriculums- instead they're half-assed by high school teachers who often don't know what they're doing.


Actually, I have a neighbor who started college this year as a Sophmore with one semester complete already due to AP classes, dual credit, and other stuff...
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But history is one of my favorite subjects.


Yup, this is happening in my home state.
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Being right next to Oklahoma, in Texas, I can imagine this'll spread if it is passed, though how many bible thumpers could there be to approve this idiotic bill? There can't be that many, right, right?

God forbid, someone who doesn't want to learn about Bible stuff can just take the regular US History course if it is passed, though I can't imagine that it'd be considered "constitutional" enough to pass in the first place, in spite of the meager mentioning of actual politics and history. It seriously goes against the "no relgion in schools" law. Also, remember, if they're gonna teach about Christianity, they've got to lump in the other religions in the pile as well; to promote equality. My sister's in AP everything. And there're many, many Muslims and Hindus attending her classes; I don't want to sound racist, but that's what she tells me. I doubt the proponents of this law would do that, it doesn't fit with their "agenda" of teachings restrictive to Christianity and Regnist politics.

Seriously though, I actually liked US History. It was a read and content heavy, but it was interesting and for me proved to be a good test of memorization. Fuck them for trying to manipulate it for their standards of bible thumping southern bigotry. And people why we have poor reputations out here. Geez.

There's no way I can envision this passing at all. United States history extends much farther than Reganism and the bible, in fact, the bible is only of relevancy in US History, at least, in the curriculum I had, when it is associated with court cases, court hearings, and laws that were passed as a result, such as the court case and law that deemed mandatory prayer unconstitutional in an educational setting as well as religious teachings. U.S. History is far too vast a subject with a diverse selection of presidents and laws in both the right and left wing camps, you can't limit the teachings of US History to one view, in this case, the Conservative Republicans without leaving out or manipulating decades of accomplishments achieved and laws passed by the democrats as well. Liberalist or Conservative, US history is but a high school course, and both sides of the political coin should be reviewed. The contributions of people on both sides of the coin built this country into what is was today, like it or not.
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Banning the class sounds ridiculous to me. I can't remember anything terribly "negative" or "unpatriotic" about it. I learned a lot, and it helped me prepare for college, making the transition incredibly easy.

My teacher took his job very seriously, knew a lot about history, and also taught the AP World History class I took the following year. It's just that it's impossible to get into detail on everything so he had to pick and choose interesting areas to go more in depth on while still covering material that would be needed for the exam. It was one of my favorite classes in high school.

All of my AP courses transferred and I started with almost a solid year of college credits, taking care of some generals and some of the required courses for my major.
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Maybe post some sources on that?
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animegirl2222 wrote:

Being right next to Oklahoma, in Texas, I can imagine this'll spread if it is passed, though how many bible thumpers could there be to approve this idiotic bill? There can't be that many, right, right?

God forbid, someone who doesn't want to learn about Bible stuff can just take the regular US History course if it is passed, though I can't imagine that it'd be considered "constitutional" enough to pass in the first place, in spite of the meager mentioning of actual politics and history. It seriously goes against the "no relgion in schools" law. Also, remember, if they're gonna teach about Christianity, they've got to lump in the other religions in the pile as well; to promote equality. My sister's in AP everything. And there're many, many Muslims and Hindus attending her classes; I don't want to sound racist, but that's what she tells me. I doubt the proponents of this law would do that, it doesn't fit with their "agenda" of teachings restrictive to Christianity and Regnist politics.

Seriously though, I actually liked US History. It was a read and content heavy, but it was interesting and for me proved to be a good test of memorization. Fuck them for trying to manipulate it for their standards of bible thumping southern bigotry. And people why we have poor reputations out here. Geez.

There's no way I can envision this passing at all. United States history extends much farther than Reganism and the bible, in fact, the bible is only of relevancy in US History, at least, in the curriculum I had, when it is associated with court cases, court hearings, and laws that were passed as a result, such as the court case and law that deemed mandatory prayer unconstitutional in an educational setting as well as religious teachings. U.S. History is far too vast a subject with a diverse selection of presidents and laws in both the right and left wing camps, you can't limit the teachings of US History to one view, in this case, the Conservative Republicans without leaving out or manipulating decades of accomplishments achieved and laws passed by the democrats as well. Liberalist or Conservative, US history is but a high school course, and both sides of the political coin should be reviewed. The contributions of people on both sides of the coin built this country into what is was today, like it or not.


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Texas has been trying to do this shit for years.http://www.alternet.org/education/texas-approves-textbooks-moses-honorary-founding-father
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Maybe post some sources on that?


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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/oklahoma-ban-ap-us-history
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