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Posted 2/18/15
Why would they want take out AP US History? We're supposed to be learning about our country so why take the course out?
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lmfaoooo.

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Well there was a major shift from what i learned in kindergarden about the american revolution and from what i learned about the american revolution in high school.

elementary school version ; THE BRITISH ARE EVIL TEA DRINKERS

high school/ college: WELL america was kind of bratty

and you are right that it is not the history but perhaps the school system in general, like making kindergardeners say the pledge of allegiance brainlessly when they have no idea what most of it actually means. I think we should teach what the pledge MEANS first instead of just having them repeat it insincerely like parrots.

Im a psychology and a sociology student and from a conflict perspective SOMETHING in the school system seems to produce ethnocentrism.

BUT then again conflict theorist think everyone is out to get them.
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Why are you wary of the comparative religion? if there were multiple theologians of different faiths as well as atheist or agnostic/ theist that do not subscribe to a particular set of beliefs (but are knowledgeable in the belief systems) i think everyone would be in check, obviously i do not think this should be introduced in middle school or elementary school but it should in high school along with sociology.
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All AP classes are a joke really. They aren't truly college level courses at all compared to what I've been told college is like. They're just a long high school class that prepares you for one test that is somehow supposed to show your knowledge of whatever subject. It's not really about learning the history but making sure you do good on the exam.

My first AP class, AP World History, I had absolutely no care in the world. I put no effort to study or work on my essay writing skills. I constantly missed school, and the last month before the exam, I pretty much stopped reading my textbook. I didn't buy the practice test books or anything. Two of the essay types I had little experience with, and one of those I literally had almost none. My teacher did a bad job at explaining what a document based question was, and I never got to write one in class due to absences. I took the exam and made a 3.

World History was so easy compared to other classes, but they're all still just jokes. If I had some essay practice, I would have done so much better. I think I'm smarter than anybody I've ever met, but it's still crazy that I can possibly get a credit for that class with less effort on level students put in.
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So basically our lawmakers decided that it would be best for students to learn what THEY value rather than something that is actually relevant for college credit down the road? Glad to see the Republicans/Bible thumpers have their priorities straight. I'm glad I'm not a high school student now, as that new course they approved would be a complete waste of my time and wouldn't even applicable for college credits. Way to drop the ball, Oklahoma lawmakers. I for once find APUSH way more productive than taking that stupid brainwashing court that Oklahoma lawmakers would have our students take. I'll be truly disgusted if this law actually passes.
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kingrumZ wrote:

Why are you wary of the comparative religion? if there were multiple theologians of different faiths as well as atheist or agnostic/ theist that do not subscribe to a particular set of beliefs (but are knowledgeable in the belief systems) i think everyone would be in check, obviously i do not think this should be introduced in middle school or elementary school but it should in high school along with sociology.


Mostly it's concern over unnecessary entanglements, but based on your description it really doesn't sound that bad.
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noooooo, wtf. Maybe it just goes too in depth into the shitty things our country has done but don't do so many shitty things if you don't want your children learning about it right?

removing it an replacing it with religious material at that. omfg Oklahoma is f%*&king demented, not everyone is Christian.

I wonder what they were thinking when they did this?
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That's oklahoma for you. Seriously glad I don't live there anymore.
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This smells a little 1984-ish to me......
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I have had Dual professors for a history class, it was pretty nice two professors teaching different perspectives on american history demonstrated that history books can be wrong, similarly i think it would be cool if there was a comparative religion class with the same structure as the history class that offered the different opinions.
For example, one professor said that the puritans who settled here had SOME good qualities to their society.
the other one contrasted their good qualities with the bad qualities.

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I am Oklahoma born and raised, i do not support this fully, but...
FIRST it is just a simple house bill as of now.
SECOND there is nothing about replacing it with religious anything or political anything.

As of current the AP History classes are per district managed and if they were to remove them, per district would decide to put anything in its place at all or not even pick up anything. The cities or large towns would not touch religious courses, if any were to pick up (op quote)"sermons, the Ten Commandments, and Reagan speeches" it would be a small town where its likely AP history courses didn't exist and has less than 150 students attending.

OP may have gotten it confused with a quote from it (house bill 1380) "documents, writings, speeches, proclamations and recordings related to the history, heritage and foundation of the United States" is what it recommends, not enforces... just simple history relating to history and heritage of the US.

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The US is a military, diplomatic, and economic superpower, and there's little sense in denying that. It boasts the most powerful blue water navy on the planet, one of the two largest nuclear arsenals in the world, has projection power enough to make credible and substantive threats of war to any other country, is the issuer of the top reserve currency in the world, boasts a large share of the world's most profitable private firms, is a permanent member of the UN security council, is a key participant in international humanitarian efforts, and is the home of some of the globe's top universities.

Nevertheless, the genocides against indigenous tribes happened. Slavery happened. The civil war, Jim crow, segregation, Vietnam, Watergate, McCarthyism, Iran-Contra, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the second Iraq War, and more all happened. International metrics show that there are significant problems in the USA's public health and human development, with access to tertiary education needing serious improvement, incarceration rates standing at the global zenith, shockingly high obesity rates, prohibitively high healthcare costs, the list goes on.

The USA isn't a shining city on a hill. That's just the ideal, the goal, what the USA should always strive to be but can never truly become because it's a country which exists in the real world. It's exceptional in its economic, military, and diplomatic position, but it has as much to learn as it does to teach. Its political and economic composition and structure is but one of many functional models, and its relative stability in spite of such substantial interbranch and federal rivalry poses a fascinating question for political scientists throughout the globe.

Good enough, Oklahoma?


Terrax7 wrote:

This is one of the many things that makes me embarrassed about my state. Like where the watermelon is our state vegetable... WATERMELON IS NOT A VEGETABLE! I think that knowing all the history is the most patriotic because that makes our leaders learn what we did so we don't make those unethical choices again.


No way. That can't be true.

*looks it up*

...you have got to be kidding me. What a state's iconic vegetable is has essentially no substantive meaning whatsoever, but if you're going to have one then at least make it a vegetable.
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Posted 2/18/15
I guess now's the time to ask the classic question....

....is our children learning?

At this rate, definitely not. As if they were learning anything in recent years anyway.
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Posted 2/18/15
Well, I would agree that the way this country was shameful;I've also found AP classes to be nothing but more work (essentially a waste of time). But to replace it with the 10 commandments? Wouldn't this be the equivalent of forcing religion onto potential non-believers? As I like to think time-to-time "Freedom of Religion" means I get to have "Freedom from Religion."


Personally, I think if they want to replace USA History with something else, it should be the history of another culture (This way we would help expand the minds of our towards the global world)
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