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Posted 2/6/08 , edited 4/18/08

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I will quote the esteemed George Bernard Shaw: The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one.


Christians quote one man for everything. Non-believers quote from everywhere they can for one thing.

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A drunken man takes time to become sober. A sober man resorts to drinks to be drunken. Christians according to this line of thought are permanently drunk. Sober men resort to different alcohols to get the longest state of stupor, since following that train of thought, sober people do not find happiness.

A sober man has no business in the midst of drunken people, because only time cures the state of stupor. Similarly, if sober people spend time trying to cure drunken people, then it can be said that sober people are no more intelligent than drunken men.


You have missed the point. It is that just because something makes you happy does not mean it is good for you are true. What he was getting at is that when you are deluded you might be happy but it means nothing as you are still deluded.


The funny thing is, Fae is right: We have a concrete source to quote from while Atheists have scattered quotes. And religion does not make you deluded, it makes you normal. It is hard-wired into the brains of most people to worship something. 90%(or better) of all humans have this hardwiring. You are in the minority. Since normal is what the majority is, you are abnormal and by popular vote, deluded. Besides, most of the world would agree with me on the fact that there is some kind of God. I choose the Christian God. Since you don't have this hard-wiring, you're disfunctional and fail.

Insults seem to be the only thing you understand so there you have it.


Where is your proof that we are hard wired to believe Skygod? What about overwhelmingly secular places such as Japan and China? Are the people there a different branch of humans?


I'll have to find you the NBC video sometime but they have found that religious people's brains function differently from those of atheists.
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They're not really secular are they? Japan has shinto, and China has buddhism no?


I'll just answer here, because posting another one is pretty useless. - Fae

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People. Shut up.
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^fae, calm down....

uhh... whats secular again?

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^ I do Japanese Studies for my major. Writing a paper on it currently. Well, scholarly arguments are long and multidimensional. Therefore, the link you posted up, has only helped me in my case for my paper. Lol.

What were you trying to prove again? That they aren't religious right? I agree. Because it's been overpoliticized. Used as a convenient tool to establish iron grip control on their people. Not so sure about China, because it's just huge. Probably Buddhism and Confucianism and all sorts of Buddhist spun off sects.

Emm, 'secular' means worldly, non religious. When in doubt, seek google. Being Christian does not mean that you just have to know about the Bible and nothing else. In fact, the wisdom of God would encourage you to immerse yourselves in societies. Like Jesus, he became man to communicate with man, Joseph became an egyptian guy beside the pharoah to communicate and eventually change the pharoah's mind. Paul too. It'll be good for Christians to try to immerse ourselves in other societies to understand them more.
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Posted 2/6/08 , edited 4/18/08

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Gods will and free will? for me they are the same... if youre Christian, you pick Gods will and you feel free to follow that..and that is the Christians free will....other people.. they have free will.. but it depends on how they use it. and who they belive in...


The thing about God's will, is that He never asks you to do things you dislike, or dont' want to. If He's going to steer you in a direction to do something, He'll provide the desire, the courage, the peace of heart for it. The Holy Spirit will give you the motivation, so it is never forcing us, and it'll be something that you'll want to do too. Of course, you first have to be filled with the Spirit first.

Man's desires are not God's desires.


but Fae, u said God would never ask u to do things u dislike or don't want to. But what about the case of Jonah? he even ran away!
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Posted 2/7/08 , edited 4/18/08
That's for new testament. When we have the Holy Spirit, this also means it does not apply if you don't accept Christ. If you read carefully, I did mention about the H.Spirit. Only believers who have accepted Christ, been born again are filled with the Holy Spirit. Jonah clearly had no Jesus (yet) to bridge the gap, therefore he had no personal linkage with God, except for God's commands for him. He was scared and was not trusting God's power when he ran.
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Posted 2/9/08 , edited 4/18/08
if you have found what you are looking for then good for you if not i will tell you the way i look at things about free will

you have many doors to pick if you pick the life with the Lord then you life maybe full of good things but if you only go half way you will only get half of what he wants for youand if you dont even pick his door you will go in your life alone never finding what he made for youand what do you have to lose by following him if he is fake as some think then you will die and be forgotten but if hes real like others think then you will die(if you followed him) you will not be unhappy but if you did not follow him and he turns out to be real you will go to hell and forever pray that you had followed him begging him to help when you picked that path he tryed to help you but you picked it and i pray that you take the right path even if it might be harder. pick your door i hope you will come with us
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Posted 2/10/08 , edited 4/18/08

Faeleia wrote:

That's for new testament. When we have the Holy Spirit, this also means it does not apply if you don't accept Christ. If you read carefully, I did mention about the H.Spirit. Only believers who have accepted Christ, been born again are filled with the Holy Spirit. Jonah clearly had no Jesus (yet) to bridge the gap, therefore he had no personal linkage with God, except for God's commands for him. He was scared and was not trusting God's power when he ran.


oh ok, i get u.
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